=(B1-A1)/ABS(A1)

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> I know how to calculate % change, but have run into a snag when the preceding
> period had a negative value.
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> Thanks
Patrick - 17 Oct 2006 01:17 GMT
That's exactly what I was looking for, thank-you!
(I figured it was something rather simple, but just couldn't hit the nail on
the head.)
> =(B1-A1)/ABS(A1)
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> > Thanks
> I know how to calculate % change, but have run into a snag when the preceding
> period had a negative value.
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> -5 10 -300% 300% N
> -5 -10 100% -100% N
=if( A2=0, "", (B2-A2) / abs(A2) )
Since you are dealing with mixed sign, it seems prudent to do
__something__ with A2=0.
>I know how to calculate % change, but have run into a snag when the preceding
>period had a negative value.
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>Thanks
The problem, Patrick, is that the percent change is not particularly
meaningful, in my opinion, when the underlying value is negative (or zero, for
that matter). The absolute value is meaningful, and the change from loss to
profit is meaningful, but percent change is not.
For example, given the same positive Current value, and using, let us say,
Bob's formula, you will note that the profit becomes greater as the Prev
approaches zero. This implies that the profit has gone up by an increasing
percent, when the amount of profit has decreased, and the baseline has
increased:
Prev Curr Bob's
-5 10 300%
-1 10 1100%
In financial reporting, in these circumstances, a percent change is not
reported by the few sources I've used.
Reuters only reports percent change in earnings if both periods have positive
earnings. Otherwise it reports (NM) (not meaningful).
The fact of P(rofit) or L(oss) may be reported.
From WSJ.com HELP:Digest of Earnings
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/doe-help.htm
"Net Income percent change is the change from the same period from a year ago.
Percent change is not provided if either the latest period or the year-ago
period contains a net loss. On the digest page, if a company posts a profit in
the latest period against a loss in the year-ago period, the percent change is
represented as a "P". Similarly, if a company posts a loss in the latest period
against a profit in the year-ago period, the percent change is represented as a
"L"."
For what it's worth, I've been told by a math PhD that percent change with
values of opposite signs is not defined, but I've never been able to find that
documented anyplace.
--ron
Kevin Vaughn - 17 Oct 2006 19:24 GMT
Interesting. I just hope I can remember this if/when it next comes up.

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> >I know how to calculate % change, but have run into a snag when the preceding
> >period had a negative value.
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> documented anyplace.
> --ron
Ron Rosenfeld - 17 Oct 2006 20:14 GMT
>Interesting. I just hope I can remember this if/when it next comes up.
Me too! :-)) But Google is our friend!
--ron
Patrick - 17 Oct 2006 20:41 GMT
Ron,
That's an excellent point, and one that I also am considering...
It's not for financial data, but rather quantity of products sold.
Nevertheless, your comment is well appreciated and does tend to make me
re-consider the whole approach.
> >I know how to calculate % change, but have run into a snag when the preceding
> >period had a negative value.
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> documented anyplace.
> --ron
Ron Rosenfeld - 18 Oct 2006 01:04 GMT
>Ron,
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>Nevertheless, your comment is well appreciated and does tend to make me
>re-consider the whole approach.
I would think so. Although I'm not sure how Quantity of Products sold could be
a negative number. Maybe it's the net of product purchased vs product sold;
but if that's the case, I would think the same analysis would apply.
--ron
Ron Rosenfeld - 18 Oct 2006 02:37 GMT
>>Ron,
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>--ron
The above doesn't read right and might be offensive.
What I meant to write, in addition to not being sure how negative values would
apply to quantity of products sold, is that I would think that similar
principles would apply if one or both of the values were negative, or zero.
--ron