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Help with IF function please 03.08.08

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Essjay - 08 Mar 2008 20:14 GMT
Can anyone help with syntax for an IF formula as under:
If E17=E (for exempt) then F17=$0.00 but
If E17=V (for VAT) then F17=G17*17.5%
I have an invoice on which some items are taxable and some not.  If I put
the E or V letter in Column E, then I want it to return  either a zero value
or to calculate the tax in column F on Column G at 17.5%.  Is this possible?

e.g.               A         B -  D         E        F              G
                    Qty.     Desc.          E       $0.00        200.00
                    Qty.     Desc.          V       $147.00    840.00

Any help much appreciated.
Sean Timmons - 08 Mar 2008 20:38 GMT
I would suggest
=if(E17="V",G17*.0175,0)

So that, if any value other than V, then $0.

> Can anyone help with syntax for an IF formula as under:
> If E17=E (for exempt) then F17=$0.00 but
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> Any help much appreciated.
Essjay - 08 Mar 2008 21:22 GMT
Thanks for your prompt help!  Mission accomplished!

> I would suggest
> =if(E17="V",G17*.0175,0)
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> > Any help much appreciated.
Tyro - 08 Mar 2008 21:28 GMT
What if the value is not V or E?

Tyro

> Thanks for your prompt help!  Mission accomplished!
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Sean Timmons - 08 Mar 2008 20:38 GMT
Oops.. that's .175, not .0175...

> Can anyone help with syntax for an IF formula as under:
> If E17=E (for exempt) then F17=$0.00 but
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> Any help much appreciated.
Rick Rothstein (MVP - VB) - 08 Mar 2008 20:39 GMT
Assuming E and V are the only entry possibilities for Column E, try this
formula...

=G17*(E17="V")*17.5%

Rick

> Can anyone help with syntax for an IF formula as under:
> If E17=E (for exempt) then F17=$0.00 but
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> Any help much appreciated.
Essjay - 08 Mar 2008 21:23 GMT
Thanks for prompt assistance.  Done!

> Assuming E and V are the only entry possibilities for Column E, try this
> formula...
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> > Any help much appreciated.
Tyro - 08 Mar 2008 20:39 GMT
In G17 put this formula =IF(E17="V",F17*17.5%,IF(E17="E",0,"?"))
You don't state what to put in G17 if E17 is not a V or an E so I put a ?

Tyro

> Can anyone help with syntax for an IF formula as under:
> If E17=E (for exempt) then F17=$0.00 but
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> Any help much appreciated.
Tyro - 08 Mar 2008 20:42 GMT
Correction:

In F17 put this formula =IF(E17="V",G17*17.5%,IF(E17="E",0,"?"))

Tyro

> In G17 put this formula =IF(E17="V",17*17.5%,IF(E17="E",0,"?"))
> You don't state what to put in G17 if E17 is not a V or an E so I put a ?
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>> Any help much appreciated.
Essjay - 08 Mar 2008 21:24 GMT
Thanks for your prompt help.  I was almost there... you've all been fantastic!

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T. Valko - 08 Mar 2008 20:45 GMT
Try this in F17:

=(E17="V")*G17*17.5%

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Biff
Microsoft Excel MVP

> Can anyone help with syntax for an IF formula as under:
> If E17=E (for exempt) then F17=$0.00 but
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> Any help much appreciated.
Tyro - 08 Mar 2008 20:52 GMT
Obfuscation? This person is a tyro. Simple IF's will help the OP

Tyro

> Try this in F17:
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>> Any help much appreciated.
T. Valko - 08 Mar 2008 21:31 GMT
>This person is a tyro.

If you say so. Is that good or bad?

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Biff
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> Obfuscation? This person is a tyro. Simple IF's will help the OP
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>>> Any help much appreciated.
Tyro - 08 Mar 2008 21:45 GMT
It both. It's bad if you're a tyro. If's ok if you've been programming for
44 years as I have. I've seen obfuscation that would blow your socks off
<g>.

Tyro

> >This person is a tyro.
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>>>> Any help much appreciated.
Bob Phillips - 08 Mar 2008 22:08 GMT
If the OP doesn't understand, he can always ask how it works and why Biff is
suggesting it that way. It's called improving your skills.

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Bob

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> Obfuscation? This person is a tyro. Simple IF's will help the OP
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>>> Any help much appreciated.
Tyro - 08 Mar 2008 22:26 GMT
I think you missed the point. The OP is just beginning to learn. It's
counter productive to use advanced techniques just to save a few keystrokes
or confuse the OP with something he/she doesn't grasp at all. (A snow job).
You have to see it from the beginner's point of view and apply the KISS
principle. With time and experience, the OP will learn more sophisticated
techniques. Let's not jump to advanced calculus before we have learned
simple arithmetic. BTW, I blew the final calculus exam in college. I got
99%. I screwed up royally by not putting +C at the end of an integration
answer. Lost 1%. Cost me a perfect paper.

Tyro

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> If the OP doesn't understand, he can always ask how it works and why Biff
> is suggesting it that way. It's called improving your skills.
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>>>> Any help much appreciated.
Sean Timmons - 08 Mar 2008 22:30 GMT
May I add, now I learned a more efficent way to perform the calculation, so I
can't complain too much.

> If the OP doesn't understand, he can always ask how it works and why Biff is
> suggesting it that way. It's called improving your skills.
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> >>> Any help much appreciated.
Tyro - 08 Mar 2008 22:41 GMT
I doubt it is more efficient. Obfuscated, certainly.

Tyro

> May I add, now I learned a more efficent way to perform the calculation,
> so I
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>> >>> Any help much appreciated.
Bob Phillips - 09 Mar 2008 23:02 GMT
>I doubt it is more efficient. Obfuscated, certainly.

Well I am afraid you are just plain wrong there.

I just timed it and Biff''s is 31% faster than Sean's first formula, and 41%
faster than yours. By my reckoning that is more efficient.
Tyro - 09 Mar 2008 23:18 GMT
I don't think that execution time should take predence over the
understanding of a simple formula. How much time is involved here. 10
microseconds? 20 microseconds, 5 days?

Tyro

>>I doubt it is more efficient. Obfuscated, certainly.
>
> Well I am afraid you are just plain wrong there.
>
> I just timed it and Biff''s is 31% faster than Sean's first formula, and
> 41% faster than yours. By my reckoning that is more efficient.
Bob Phillips - 10 Mar 2008 10:20 GMT
That is another argument. You said, and I quote, ... I doubt it is more
efficient.

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HTH

Bob

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>I don't think that execution time should take predence over the
>understanding of a simple formula. How much time is involved here. 10
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>> I just timed it and Biff''s is 31% faster than Sean's first formula, and
>> 41% faster than yours. By my reckoning that is more efficient.
Bob Phillips - 09 Mar 2008 22:50 GMT
And that is another benefit, others read these posts and learn things too.

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Bob

(there's no email, no snail mail, but somewhere should be gmail in my addy)

> May I add, now I learned a more efficent way to perform the calculation,
> so I
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>> >>> Any help much appreciated.
Roger Govier - 09 Mar 2008 11:40 GMT
Hi

You have received many answers, each of which will deal with the calculation
you asked.
However, if you are dealing with UK VAT, I have some observations to add.

Under UK HMCE rules there are codes for several different VAT rates -
Z,X,E,O,S,L,H,I,P
There is no VAT code V, it should be S for Standard to attract a current
rate of 17.5% , so from both your viewpoint, and that of the invoice
recipient, it would serve you well to comply with the HMCE directive.

L - Lower  currently 5% (only applies the Domestic Fuel bills and is
probably something you would not be using)
H - Higher rate is not currently being used
S - Standard is currently 17.5%
P - Partial Exemption (unlikely to be used in your particular case - applies
to some property situations)

X - Excluded, E - Exempt, O - Outside the scope and Z - Zero are all 0%

Personally, I would have Column F as the Net Amount, Column G as the VAT
Amount and column H as the Gross amount.
The formula in column G would then become
=IF(E17="S",ROUND(F17*17.5%,2),0)

Without knowing your circumstances, I would suspect that it is is S and Z
you should be using, rather than V and E.
You should confirm with your HMCE inspector to ensure that you are
complying.
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Regards
Roger Govier

> Can anyone help with syntax for an IF formula as under:
> If E17=E (for exempt) then F17=$0.00 but
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> Any help much appreciated.
Essjay - 12 Mar 2008 18:50 GMT
Hi Roger
Thanks for the comprehensive answer.  You're correct in that my query does
deal with UK VAT.  The only reason I used the letters V & E was more as an
"aide memoire" for the person doing the input ~ V to stand for VATable and E
for Exempt.  The VAT element will only ever fall into the customary standard
17.5% (unless otherwise amended by HMG!), or be Exempt, so I was trying to
apply the KISS principle to the formula.  I will re-jig the columnisation to
reflect your suggestion.
I'd just like to thank everyone for the time they've taken with my query and
for sharing their knowledge so readily.
Regards
Essjay

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