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MS Office Forum / Excel / New Users / September 2006READ BEFORE INSTALLING OFFICE 2007 B2TR
The B2TR patch has some nasty surprises for users in store. The most important one being that Word 2007 Beta 2 files saved in the new file formats (extensions docx, docm, etc) might not open at all once B2TR has been installed. Excel files in the file formats (extensions xlsx, xlsm, etc) saved in B2 should open in B2TR. PowerPoint files saved in B2 in the new file formats (extensions pptx, pptm, etc) seem to at least open, but seem to have issues with font size, text placement, and other minor issues. Before installing B2TR therefore, you should save all your files in the 97-2003 file formats. That means, save all your docx files as doc (Word), all your xslx files as xls (Excel) and all your pptx files as ppt (PowerPoint). There are a host of other issues you might encounter. I am keeping a running list that I will update constantly over the next few days at http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/14/43. I highly suggest to read it before installing B2TR. Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net > The B2TR patch has some nasty surprises for users in store. Thank You so much for your warnings and instructions! I'd be rather helpless as I was careless enough to make a total move to the Beta versions of all of Office. I hope I won't have to run a System Recovery tommorow morning ... Rainald As you just made the move right now, you won't be in much trouble. People who have been using Beta 2 for a while and now got B2TR are the ones experiencing most issues. Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net > > The B2TR patch has some nasty surprises for users in store. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Rainald >> I'd be rather helpless as I was careless enough to make a total >> move [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the > ones experiencing most issues. Seems as if everything worked just fine. Will have to get used to the new Office design, however. Don't like it too much so far. Takes away even more screen real estate than before. I wonder what will be left on my TabletPC's screen ... Rainald Double Left Click on one of the tabs to hide the ribbon. After doing that, a left click on one of the tabs will display the ribbon for that tab.  SignatureHope this helps. Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my services on a paid consulting basis. Doug Robbins - Word MVP >>> I'd be rather helpless as I was careless enough to make a total move >>> to the Beta versions of all of Office. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Rainald >> Seems as if everything worked just fine. >> Will have to get used to the new Office design, however. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > doing that, a left click on one of the tabs will display the ribbon > for that tab. Thanks for the hint, Doug. Had already detected that. May it's just initial disliking of something dramatically new. But think the good old ToolBars had there merits and I do not understand that there is no "compatibilty mode". I can easily imagine waht will break loose in our offices when the secretaries and assistents will have to face to new way ... Billions of workhours, I estimate, to be billed to Seattle ... Rainald I think the majority of those who actually knew the applications have all asked the same thing. I know I absolutely hated it at first. While the old toolbars have their merits, the new functionally that has been integrated simply can not be duplicated with the old toolbars. I don't know if you found this, but Help contains links to interactive reference guides for the applications. If you know where a favorite command was located in the Microsoft Office 2003 application, navigate to the command using the old interface and the interactive command reference guide will provide information to its new location in a screen tip. If you need more help, clicking the command will animate the location in the 2007 Microsoft Office application. Here's the direct link: http://officebeta.iponet.net/client/helppreview.aspx?AssetID=HA100744321033&ns=W INWORD&lcid=1033&CTT=3&Origin=HA100625841033 To find it in Help it's located in the TOC under "Getting Help". SignaturePlease post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Office 2007 Preview Site: http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/default.mspx Office 2007 Community Articles/Tutorials: http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/community/article_archive.mspx TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ > May it's just initial disliking of something dramatically new. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Rainald Thank you for your reply and the reference. I will have get used to it whether I like it or not. "'Maybe it's just a matter of taste' said the monkey when had bitten ito the piece of soop" But quite some learning curve for the staff in the office (hopefully replacing Solitaire for a while <g>). Thanks again Rainald > I think the majority of those who actually knew the applications > have [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >> >> Rainald >I can easily imagine waht will break loose in our offices when the >secretaries and assistents will have to face to new way ... Why do you HAVE to update? If the office is running smoothly now, don't 'fix' it. :/ SignatureZilbandy... still using Office 97 Amen SignatureJim Cone San Francisco, USA "Zilbandy" <zil@zilbandy.com.invalid> wrote in message On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:48:55 +0200, "Rainald Taesler" <taesler@gmx.de> wrote: >I can easily imagine waht will break loose in our offices when the >secretaries and assistents will have to face to new way ... Why do you HAVE to update? If the office is running smoothly now, don't 'fix' it. :/ SignatureZilbandy... still using Office 97 Double-click a ribbon tab or press ctrl-f1. That will minimize the ribbon (it stays minimized). You can then use it via single-clicking a tab. It will then only hover over your document and disappear similar to a menu again. Toggle the behavior via ctrl-f1 or double-clicking a tab again. Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net > >> I'd be rather helpless as I was careless enough to make a total > >> move [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Rainald > Double-click a ribbon tab or press ctrl-f1. That will minimize the > ribbon (it stays minimized). You can then use it via single-clicking [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > a > tab again. Thanks for your assitance, Patrick! Had detected that meanwhile (except Ctrl+F1 which for sure my tablet will love [grrrrh]). Rainald G'Day Patrick, Thanks for the Information! You may remember that I had some issue with OL2007 - most of these are now resolved. When I print, I still get warnings about Prop Res DLL not loaded, but it prints ok. The Editor seems much improved - as does the rest of Office 2007. Thanks again! SignatureRegards, Pat Garard Melbourne, Australia _______________________ > The B2TR patch has some nasty surprises for users in store. The most important > one being that Word 2007 Beta 2 files saved in the new file formats [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > -------------- > http://pschmid.net What type of printer do you have? SignatureRobert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.howto-outlook.com/ Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more ----- G'Day Patrick, Thanks for the Information! You may remember that I had some issue with OL2007 - most of these are now resolved. When I print, I still get warnings about Prop Res DLL not loaded, but it prints ok. The Editor seems much improved - as does the rest of Office 2007. Thanks again! SignatureRegards, Pat Garard Melbourne, Australia _______________________ > The B2TR patch has some nasty surprises for users in store. The most > important [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > -------------- > http://pschmid.net G'Day Roady, I have a LeXmark 1185 (all-in-one). SignatureRegards, Pat Garard Melbourne, Australia _______________________ > What type of printer do you have? > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >> -------------- >> http://pschmid.net That's what I thought already ;-) Search for lxbkprpr.dll and copy it to c:\windows\system32 By default it resides in; c:\windows\system32\spool\drivers\w32x86\Lexmark_x1100_ser iesf27b SignatureRobert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.howto-outlook.com/ Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more ----- G'Day Roady, I have a LeXmark 1185 (all-in-one). SignatureRegards, Pat Garard Melbourne, Australia _______________________ "Roady [MVP]" <newsgroups_DELETE_@_DELETE_sparnaaij_NO_._SPAM_net> wrote in message news:%232ogCiK2GHA.4924@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > What type of printer do you have? > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >> -------------- >> http://pschmid.net WOW! Well I be ... [:-{ Thanks ... [;-} SignatureRegards, Pat Garard Melbourne, Australia _______________________ > That's what I thought already ;-) > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >>> -------------- >>> http://pschmid.net Just a suggestion - I would have thought that re-registering the dll from its current default location would have worked as well, and might make things simpler if you need to uninstall that printer later? regsvr32 "c:\windows\system32\spool\drivers\w32x86\Lexmark_x1100_ser iesf27b" Signature<>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> > That's what I thought already ;-) > [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] >>> -------------- >>> http://pschmid.net It seems to break itself over time :-S SignatureRobert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.howto-outlook.com/ Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more ----- Just a suggestion - I would have thought that re-registering the dll from its current default location would have worked as well, and might make things simpler if you need to uninstall that printer later? regsvr32 "c:\windows\system32\spool\drivers\w32x86\Lexmark_x1100_ser iesf27b" Signature<>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org <>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<> Roady [MVP] wrote: > That's what I thought already ;-) > [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] >>> -------------- >>> http://pschmid.net Tried your suggestion - got an error message: "C:\win....27b\lxbkprpr.dll was loaded, but the DLLRegisterServer entry point was not found. This file can not be registered." vbOkOnly SignatureRegards, Pat Garard Melbourne, Australia _______________________ > Just a suggestion - I would have thought that re-registering the dll from its > current default location would have worked as well, and might make things [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] >>>> -------------- >>>> http://pschmid.net Thanks Patrick (I am enjoying your Ribbon add-in now all the time in 2007) even though I run 2003 /2007. I updated with a fresh download 2 weeks ago - Is this update newer? I thought Beta 3 was coming soon! > The B2TR patch has some nasty surprises for users in store. The most > important one being that Word 2007 Beta 2 files saved in the new file [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > -------------- > http://pschmid.net What you downloaded 2 weeks ago was the same thing you downloaded months ago, namely Beta 2. This is an actual new build of Office 2007. In Microsoft's naming scheme, B2TR is essentially Beta 3 (or if you are anal, Beta 4, as there has been a B1, B1TR, B2 and now a B2TR). Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net > Thanks Patrick (I am enjoying your Ribbon add-in now all the time in 2007) > even though I run 2003 /2007. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > -------------- > > http://pschmid.net Is anyone running RC1 Vista and this update yet? I was going to do Refresh and then RC1 (as it suggets)? > The B2TR patch has some nasty surprises for users in store. The most > important one being that Word 2007 Beta 2 files saved in the new file [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > -------------- > http://pschmid.net A clean install of Vista, Office 2007 BETA 2 and then the TR is possible too. SignatureRobert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.howto-outlook.com/ Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more ----- Is anyone running RC1 Vista and this update yet? I was going to do Refresh and then RC1 (as it suggets)? > The B2TR patch has some nasty surprises for users in store. The most > important one being that Word 2007 Beta 2 files saved in the new file [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > -------------- > http://pschmid.net The RC1 said to technical refresh then do the Upgrade install to Vista from XP I am a little concerned .... How is it? >A clean install of Vista, Office 2007 BETA 2 and then the TR is possible > too. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> -------------- >> http://pschmid.net both SignatureRobert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.howto-outlook.com/ Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more ----- The RC1 said to technical refresh then do the Upgrade install to Vista from XP I am a little concerned .... How is it? "Roady [MVP]" <newsgroups_DELETE_@_DELETE_sparnaaij_NO_._SPAM_net> wrote in message news:eTYH5fK2GHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >A clean install of Vista, Office 2007 BETA 2 and then the TR is possible > too. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> -------------- >> http://pschmid.net For a clean Vista RC1 install: Install Vista RC1, install Beta 2, Install B2TR. For a Vista B2 install that you want to update to RC1: Install B2TR, Update to Vista RC1. Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net > Is anyone running RC1 Vista and this update yet? > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > -------------- > > http://pschmid.net The MS Word team has told me that Word files in the new file formats created in B2 (dotx, dotm, etc) *should* open in B2TR. I am blaming the corruption messages I received on files that were created in B1/B1TR. Apparently opening such files in B2, pressing save and closing them, did NOT upgrade them to the B2 format. Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net > The B2TR patch has some nasty surprises for users in store. The most > important one being that Word 2007 Beta 2 files saved in the new file [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > -------------- > http://pschmid.net FWIW, opening any file and saving it doesn't save it; you have to make a change, what has been called a "phantom edit," such as Spacebar, Backspace (anything to enable the Undo button), then save. SignatureSuzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > The MS Word team has told me that Word files in the new file formats > created in B2 (dotx, dotm, etc) *should* open in B2TR. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > -------------- > > http://pschmid.net I had assumed that Word would automatically dirty the file if it detected that it was saved in an outdated format (meaning the B1 or B1TR format when opening in B2). Patrick Schmid --------------- http://pschmid.net > FWIW, opening any file and saving it doesn't save it; you have to make a > change, what has been called a "phantom edit," such as Spacebar, Backspace [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > > -------------- > > > http://pschmid.net Apparently not, however. Is the file format really different between B1/B1TR and B2 or only the version? In Word 97-2003, if you open a Word 6.0/95 doc, you might be asked if you want to save in the current format, but if you open, say, a Word 97 file in Word 2003, you don't get any sort of prompt, since the file format is the same. SignatureSuzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > I had assumed that Word would automatically dirty the file if it > detected that it was saved in an outdated format (meaning the B1 or B1TR [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > > > -------------- > > > > http://pschmid.net Definitely different. Files created in B1 and B1TR don't open in B2TR anymore, they actually produce a corrupt file error message. B2TR uses the XML file formats according to the Ecma draft v1.4, B2 used 1.3. B1TR and B1 were earlier versions. Patrick Schmid --------------- http://pschmid.net > Apparently not, however. Is the file format really different between B1/B1TR > and B2 or only the version? In Word 97-2003, if you open a Word 6.0/95 doc, [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > > > > > -------------- > > > > > http://pschmid.net That was actually already mentioned from the dogfood builds. The file format was/is still under development throughout the BETA as well and except for OneNote "upgrading" documents from earlier BETAs wouldn't be fully supported (which includes "dirtying" it). It was recommended against storing important data in the new file format. SignatureRobert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.howto-outlook.com/ Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more ----- Definitely different. Files created in B1 and B1TR don't open in B2TR anymore, they actually produce a corrupt file error message. B2TR uses the XML file formats according to the Ecma draft v1.4, B2 used 1.3. B1TR and B1 were earlier versions. Patrick Schmid --------------- http://pschmid.net "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote in message news:OEwwDEP2GHA.3656@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl: > Apparently not, however. Is the file format really different between > B1/B1TR [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > > > > > -------------- > > > > > http://pschmid.net Yes, I know. But you aren't necessarily better off if you stored all your files in the 97-2003 formats. For example, XLS files created in B1/B1TR might not open in B2TR either. Patrick Schmid --------------- http://pschmid.net > That was actually already mentioned from the dogfood builds. The file format > was/is still under development throughout the BETA as well and except for [quoted text clipped - 113 lines] > > > > > > -------------- > > > > > > http://pschmid.net Hmm, that is indeed a nasty thing :-S SignatureRobert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook] Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.howto-outlook.com/ Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more ----- Yes, I know. But you aren't necessarily better off if you stored all your files in the 97-2003 formats. For example, XLS files created in B1/B1TR might not open in B2TR either. Patrick Schmid --------------- http://pschmid.net "Roady [MVP]" <newsgroups_DELETE_@_DELETE_sparnaaij_NO_._SPAM_net> wrote in message news:ei83tTR2GHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: > That was actually already mentioned from the dogfood builds. The file > format [quoted text clipped - 132 lines] > > > > > > -------------- > > > > > > http://pschmid.net Hi Patrick, In general, you would be better off using the legacy formats, but relying on the beta for business/mission level documents is still a risk not recommended by Microsoft for most folks. If a legacy file created from Office 2007 betas does not reopen in a legacy version of Office or a newer version of Office 2007 beta then that would be a bug. (It could have been a bug in the 'save as' portion of the older beta, but still a bug). ========== Yes, I know. But you aren't necessarily better off if you stored all your files in the 97-2003 formats. For example, XLS files created in B1/B1TR might not open in B2TR either. Patrick Schmid >> SignatureI hope this helped you, Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office system products MVP >>*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends<< LINKS to the 2007 Office System 1. Free MS Office 2007 book from MS Press, 213 pages: http://microsoft.com/learning/office2007/default.mspx#booksfrommspress 2.. Office 2007 Beta 2 Online Test Drive, Downloadable beta, e-learning courses, doucmentation and movies: http://microsoft.com/office/preview 3. Send 2007 Office System Beta 2 feedback directly to the MS Office 2007 product team with this feedback tool: http://sas.office.microsoft.com/ 4. Try the 2007 OfficeOnline preview website , without Office2007 a. Install the ActiveX access control http://office.microsoft.com/search/redir.aspx?AssetID=XT101650581033 b. then visit http://officebeta.iponet.net Hi Patrick, What you listed would be different variants of the same file format, not a different format (i.e. the details are evolving but the structure is pretty much the same). It's similar to the RTF spec in that regard in that it changes with each version of Word as well and to the .doc, etc file formats. New versions of each app may have features not backwards compatible but the file format is considered to be 'the same'. With betas, it's often the forward (between beta-test versions) compatability that gets to be the issue. It would have been nice if MS's 'error' dialogs in TR2 were looking at the headers in the file to be a bit more specific on what they're seeing as the problem. It might also be an interesting exercise to see if the claims on being able to recover files when one part breaks from the .---x (zipped) contents would be doable in trying to save the content from a pre B2TR file by moving them to a new .---x structure. ==================== Definitely different. Files created in B1 and B1TR don't open in B2TR anymore, they actually produce a corrupt file error message. B2TR uses the XML file formats according to the Ecma draft v1.4, B2 used 1.3. B1TR and B1 were earlier versions. Patrick Schmid >> SignatureI hope this helped you, Bob Buckland ?:-) MS Office system products MVP >>*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends<< LINKS to the 2007 Office System 1. Free MS Office 2007 book from MS Press, 213 pages: http://microsoft.com/learning/office2007/default.mspx#booksfrommspress 2.. Office 2007 Beta 2 Online Test Drive, Downloadable beta, e-learning courses, doucmentation and movies: http://microsoft.com/office/preview 3. Send 2007 Office System Beta 2 feedback directly to the MS Office 2007 product team with this feedback tool: http://sas.office.microsoft.com/ 4. Try the 2007 OfficeOnline preview website , without Office2007 a. Install the ActiveX access control http://office.microsoft.com/search/redir.aspx?AssetID=XT101650581033 b. then visit http://officebeta.iponet.net Correct. The majority of the issues that have been encountered are from files created pre-Beta 2. Note that those who had Office 2007 prior to Beta 2 were official beta testers and they were explicitly told files created in the early beta releases may not be accessible in later releases. I have a few files I'm unable to open as well but I also saved the important files in the Word 97 - 2003 format. If you just used the Save command won't necessarily change the format. I modify the file a bit, like Suzanne noted, add a space and delete it, and then use Save As. SignaturePlease post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Office 2007 Preview Site: http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/default.mspx Office 2007 Community Articles/Tutorials: http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/community/article_archive.mspx TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ > The MS Word team has told me that Word files in the new file formats > created in B2 (dotx, dotm, etc) *should* open in B2TR. > I am blaming the corruption messages I received on files that were > created in B1/B1TR. Apparently opening such files in B2, pressing > save and closing them, did NOT upgrade them to the B2 format. Just to finish up this discussion. The only related "issue" that affects all users is the "Building Blocks.dotx" file. B2TR setup doesn't replace this file, as it is considered a user file. In order to get the newest content for all galleries though, this file needs to be replaced with its B2TR version. If a user modified the building blocks in B2 (e.g. galleries), this shouldn't be done though as those modifications will be lost in the process. In order to replace the file, close Word and use Start, Run, type "%appdata%\Microsoft\Document Building Blocks" and delete the file "Building Blocks.dotx" there. Word will recreate the file automatically once you open it again and drop-down a gallery. Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net
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