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SunRay - 30 Jul 2007 20:44 GMT
Is there an email filtering program for Outlook that requires the sender to
identify themselves via a short questionnaire before it is sent to my email
box?  I have seen this service used by other users that I have sent email.
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Vanguard - 30 Jul 2007 22:34 GMT
> Is there an email filtering program for Outlook that requires the
> sender to
> identify themselves via a short questionnaire before it is sent to my
> email
> box?  I have seen this service used by other users that I have sent
> email.

How are you going to force any recipient to install your Outlook plug-in
or your proxy software that intercepts their outbound e-mail?  Someone
gave you software that you chose to install.  Don't expect others to be
as pliable.

If you are asking about the challenge-response scheme for spam
filtering, be aware that it is NOT a responsible scheme and hits
innocents with your "challenge spam" (which they can report to
blacklists to get you blacklisted at any e-mail provider that uses
them).  Have a read at:

http://spamlinks.net/filter-cr.htm#issues-harmful

It may work to help you eliminate spam but will piss off all your good
senders, add further delay to delivery of their e-mails into your Inbox,
and the challenges often get ignored by the senders.  Also, there are
many, like me, that if they receive your misdirected "challenge spam"
that they *will* respond so you end up get the spam into your mailbox
that you were trying to use us as your involuntary spam filterer plus
you will reported to blacklists, like SpamCop, to further punish you for
using C-R.
SunRay - 30 Jul 2007 22:56 GMT
I guess my question is:  How can I stop all of the junk email I receive.  I
add the junk email senders to my Outlook email Blockeed Senders list, but
they still get continue? I use Hotmail Plus, Outlook and MS OneCare.  
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> > Is there an email filtering program for Outlook that requires the
> > sender to
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> you will reported to blacklists, like SpamCop, to further punish you for
> using C-R.
Vanguard - 31 Jul 2007 05:38 GMT
> I guess my question is:  How can I stop all of the junk email I
> receive.  I
> add the junk email senders to my Outlook email Blockeed Senders list,
> but
> they still get continue? I use Hotmail Plus, Outlook and MS OneCare.

Don't know which version of Outlook that you use.  OL2003 and after
include a new junk mail filter which Microsoft likes to confuse in their
descriptive babble as how it work but it appears yet another Bayes
filter (and their periodic junk filter updates are to update the
Bayesian database).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayesian_spam_filtering

If you want something better, start looking into anti-spam software.
SpamPal is better than many commercialware products - alas, SpamPal
won't work with HTTP accounts, like Hotmail, nor will many other
anti-spam products unless they function as a plug-in within Outlook.  It
includes several methods for detecting spam that would encompass several
pages to describe but one of which is a Bayesian filter.  SpamPal is
free.  SpamPal does not eliminate any spam.  It tags the suspect e-mails
and you define rules in your e-mail client to handle those tagged
e-mails however you want, like deleting them or moving into the Junk
folder (and using auto-archive on the Junk folder to delete items older
than, say, 3 days).

SpamBayes will run as a plug-in to Outlook.  It provides yet another
Bayesian filter, but since OL2003 already has a Bayesian filter I'm not
sure that adding yet another one would help.

I'm only suggesting the free anti-spam solutions.  You didn't mention if
you were willing to pay for anti-spam software.  For example, Cloudmark
has their spam filter product but it isn't free.  You subscribe to a
community of users that have identified spam so when you receive then it
gets identified as spam; however, new spam that few users have yet seen
and reported will still leak through.

Since you are using a Hotmail account, one way to nearly guarantee that
you don't get spam there is to set junk filtering to the Exclusive mode.
Then only senders listed in your address book will get their e-mails
into your Inbox.  Because SpamPal, my preferred anti-spam solution,
won't work with HTTP accounts, I use Exclusive mode in my Hotmail
account.  That way, I'm filtering *in* as to who can e-mail me there.
For POP3 and IMAP4 accounts, like my free Gmail and Yahoo Mail accounts
(using YahooPOPs to connect to Yahoo), I include SpamPal in addition to
enabling the provider's spam filtering.
SunRay - 31 Jul 2007 06:24 GMT
I even checked the Outlook Junk email option's Safe Lists Only and the junk
email still gets through?  Could a spammer somehow have changed an internal
setting to allow junk email to get through?
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Ray

> > I guess my question is:  How can I stop all of the junk email I
> > receive.  I
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> (using YahooPOPs to connect to Yahoo), I include SpamPal in addition to
> enabling the provider's spam filtering.
Vanguard - 31 Jul 2007 19:17 GMT
>>> I guess my question is:  How can I stop all of the junk email I
>>> receive.  I
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> internal
> setting to allow junk email to get through?

Still don't know which version of Outlook you are using.  My guess from
deciphering your reply is that there is a "Safe Lists" option which is
basically a whitelisting rule.  You enter e-mail addresses, IP address,
or something to identify the sender and their e-mails bypass all further
rules (which includes junk filtering).  Maybe the Safe Lists option also
provides for blacklisting but I thought that was called Blocked Senders.
I have OL2002, not OL2003 or OL2007.  Blocking on e-mail addresses to
get rid of spam is stupid.  Spammers don't use their own e-mail address.
They change it every time they spew.  Yes, spammers do change an
internal setting to allow junk mail to get past a blacklist of e-mail
addresses - by always changing their e-mail address.

The Exclusive filter mode in Hotmail is a server-side option, not
something you configure in Outlook.
 
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