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have found messages sent by my imap accts in spam folder i didn't

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freesprtsf - 16 Mar 2008 11:56 GMT
i have noticed on several occasions messages sent by two of my e-mail
addresses that were caught by by spam folders.  both accounts are gmail
accounts and are set up using imap.  has anyone ever seen anything like this
before?  dazed and confused here.
Roady [MVP] - 16 Mar 2008 12:06 GMT
You're not really clear here. Are these messages sent by you and received by
others in the Junk Email folder?
This could happen for all sorts of reasons and the solution depends on the
Junk Email filter of the receiver. There is not much you can do about that.
Free accounts like GMail, Hotmail, Yahoo are often sooner treated as Junk
than messages received from other ISPs.

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> i have noticed on several occasions messages sent by two of my e-mail
> addresses that were caught by by spam folders.  both accounts are gmail
> accounts and are set up using imap.  has anyone ever seen anything like
> this
> before?  dazed and confused here.
freesprtsf - 16 Mar 2008 12:25 GMT
these are messages i have not created.  messages seem to be sent from one of
my imap accounts  to the same account.   the messages are definately spam.  
it is caught by my imap spam folder before showing up in my imap sent mail
folder a copy can also be found in my junk mail folder.

> You're not really clear here. Are these messages sent by you and received by
> others in the Junk Email folder?
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> > this
> > before?  dazed and confused here.
N. Miller - 16 Mar 2008 15:51 GMT
> these are messages i have not created.  messages seem to be sent from one of
> my imap accounts  to the same account.   the messages are definately spam.  
> it is caught by my imap spam folder before showing up in my imap sent mail
> folder a copy can also be found in my junk mail folder.

Spammer forgeries, most likely. If they appear to be "from" you "to" you,
that is a common spammer technique, based on an assumption that the
recipient email address will be whitelisted as a "sender".

You could run a malware check, just to be certain, but also check the full
headers of the email messages for the trace headers. Received: from * by *
will often prove the forgery.

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Nikki Peterson [MVP-Outlook] - 16 Mar 2008 16:49 GMT
The following links may shed some light on the problem:

Understanding E-mail Spoofing
http://www.windowsecurity.com/articles/Email-Spoofing.html

Email "Spamming" and Email "Spoofing"
http://www.lse.ac.uk/itservices/help/spamming&spoofing.htm

E-mail spoofing - Definition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-mail_spoofing

Nikki

>> these are messages i have not created.  messages seem to be sent from one
>> of
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> headers of the email messages for the trace headers. Received: from * by *
> will often prove the forgery.
freesprtsf - 16 Mar 2008 17:31 GMT
thanks, i am having a problem understanding the progession the message makes
after i have noticed it in my imap spam folder.  outlook will show one unread
message in the imap spam folder. if the imap folder downloads from the imap
server outlook shows one unread message in the imap sent folder.  the message
will then show in the outlook junk mail corresponding to the imap folder in
which the original message was located.  

if the original message is deleted from the imap spam folder and and purged
it does not appear in the imap sent folder.  does this mean the message has
not actually been sent?

> The following links may shed some light on the problem:
>
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> > headers of the email messages for the trace headers. Received: from * by *
> > will often prove the forgery.
Nikki Peterson [MVP-Outlook] - 16 Mar 2008 17:54 GMT
What I am thinking is that you are getting messages from systems that
have received an email that "looks" like you sent it. Spoof email is like
that. It appears as if you sent it.

When that system gets the email, it sends you a courtesy message to
let you know that it won't deliver the email. This is confusing to you
because, you didn't send it in the first place. Some bad guy  just sent
a message pretending to be you. :)

Not much you can do about it, just delete the messages.

Nikki

> thanks, i am having a problem understanding the progession the message
> makes
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>> > by *
>> > will often prove the forgery.
N. Miller - 17 Mar 2008 16:39 GMT
> thanks, i am having a problem understanding the progession the message makes
> after i have noticed it in my imap spam folder.

IMAP is not a sending protocol.

> outlook will show one unread message in the imap spam folder.

That means Outlook downloaded the message to its copy of the account spam
folder. IMAP is a reading protocol which synchronizes the local client
folders with the account folders on the server.

> if the imap folder downloads from the imap server outlook shows one unread
> message in the imap sent folder.

Outlook should not be showing any email in the sent folder, unless it was
sent from the account. That part is certainly confusing to me.

> the message will then show in the outlook junk mail corresponding to the imap
> folder in which the original message was located.  
>
> if the original message is deleted from the imap spam folder and and purged
> it does not appear in the imap sent folder.  does this mean the message has
> not actually been sent?

Because Outlook synchronizes its folder contents with the folder contents on
the server, whatever Outlook is seeing is what is on the server folders.
Which service is this?

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Diane Poremsky [MVP] - 16 Mar 2008 20:55 GMT
Its most likely the spammers are trying to fool you and faked your address
on the From field. It's a very common methods they use to get past filters.

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> these are messages i have not created.  messages seem to be sent from one
> of
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>> > this
>> > before?  dazed and confused here.

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