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can I use FOSS versions of calendar tools when others in my offic.

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Amadomon - 01 Mar 2006 21:51 GMT
I use a FOSS calendaring system, while the rest of my office uses Outlook.  
Can I publish my .iCal file to our exchange server?
Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook] - 01 Mar 2006 22:50 GMT
I don't know what FOSS is, but Exchange doesn't have any iCal publishing features.

FWIW, the next version of Outlook will have substantial iCalendar subscription and sharing support.

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>I use a FOSS calendaring system, while the rest of my office uses Outlook.  
> Can I publish my .iCal file to our exchange server?
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] - 02 Mar 2006 02:36 GMT
FOSS = Free Open Source Software.

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After furious head scratching, Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook] asked:

| I don't know what FOSS is, but Exchange doesn't have any iCal
| publishing features.
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|| I use a FOSS calendaring system, while the rest of my office uses
|| Outlook. Can I publish my .iCal file to our exchange server?
Amadomon - 02 Mar 2006 12:49 GMT
Silly Microsoft--does not play well with others.  I am glad someone knows
what FOSS means.  It's a great big wonderful world out there, Outlook
'MVP'ers...

> FOSS = Free Open Source Software.
>
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> || I use a FOSS calendaring system, while the rest of my office uses
> || Outlook. Can I publish my .iCal file to our exchange server?
Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook] - 02 Mar 2006 13:04 GMT
I hate acronyms. It's one reason I couldn't stand to work for a government agency. <g>
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"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:

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>> FOSS = Free Open Source Software.
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] - 03 Mar 2006 03:21 GMT
Yes, I know what F/OSS means, and having tried much of it, I can safely say
it is crap.

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| Silly Microsoft--does not play well with others.  I am glad someone
| knows what FOSS means.  It's a great big wonderful world out there,
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|||| I use a FOSS calendaring system, while the rest of my office uses
|||| Outlook. Can I publish my .iCal file to our exchange server?
Amadomon - 03 Mar 2006 13:05 GMT
No real need to respond to this.  I too came from a proprietary s/w world,
and am not doctrinaire, but I have gradually been migrating toward FOSS
because frequently it is a better product.  (Try getting a copy of Win XP
localized into Bambara.)  Of course there is crap out there, but remember
Windows ME?  No matter what you think, just stick around; the trend is not in
Microsoft's favor.  Increasingly, the FOSS tail is wagging the MS dog.

> Yes, I know what F/OSS means, and having tried much of it, I can safely say
> it is crap.
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> |||| Outlook. Can I publish my .iCal file to our exchange server?
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] - 03 Mar 2006 15:29 GMT
Dream on - have it your way - after all, that is what F/OSS is all about -
having choices from second rate software, which is always trying to emulate
Microsoft's successful model.

HAve a good day.

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| No real need to respond to this.  I too came from a proprietary s/w
| world, and am not doctrinaire, but I have gradually been migrating
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Amadomon - 03 Mar 2006 20:52 GMT
You don't even know what software I am talking about, so how can you call it
second-rate?  I have conceded that there is plenty of "crap" (as you
characterized it) out there, and I have also used qualifiers such as
"frequently" and said that *I* am not doctrinaire.  I find this discussion
rather ironic, because I am usually on the other side of this argument
(albeit employing a nicer, less "scorched-earth" approach) with my hard-core
FOSS friends.  But yes, that *is* what it is all about: customization--the
right tool for the job at hand.  Have you ever tried to outfit 400 computers
for schools in sub-Saharan Africa?  Can you imagine the licence expense, to
say nothing of the localisation costs?  Add to that the hardware--and
power--needed to run bloated operating systems, when low-cost, lean,
customized OS's and apps exist (yes, with active local support) that can run
on flash memory, and your idea of "crap" and "second-rate" might change.  

It truly is a Flat World, my friend.  Companies like Microsoft, and the US
in general, ignore this at their peril.  No one is trying to emulate
Microsoft; they're just applying the principle of Occam's Razor.

I run my OS, my email client, and my calendar app (among other apps) on a
USB key; wherever I go, regardless of native OS, I simply plug in my key
and--boom--there is "my" computer.  Afterwards, I simply unplug my key and
off I go, leaving nothing behind.  Try that with Outlook.

> Dream on - have it your way - after all, that is what F/OSS is all about -
> having choices from second rate software, which is always trying to emulate
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> |||||| Outlook. Can I publish my .iCal file to our exchange server?
Amadomon - 04 Mar 2006 03:06 GMT
I might add, after looking at other Outlook-related discussion threads, that
I don't see much evidence to indicate that the MS product is in any way
superior.  ("Outlook crashes when new appointment is saved in Outlook
Calendaring")  After listening to you, I would expect that the brilliant
minds at Microsoft could do better than that.  Finally (to return to the
original topic of this thread), I believe that either the current or else the
next version of Outlook will support the (open) iCalendar format.  Who's
emulating whom?

> You don't even know what software I am talking about, so how can you call it
> second-rate?  I have conceded that there is plenty of "crap" (as you
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> > |||||| I use a FOSS calendaring system, while the rest of my office uses
> > |||||| Outlook. Can I publish my .iCal file to our exchange server?
 
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