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MS Office Forum / Outlook / Calendaring / September 2007Daylight Saving box wont stay checked
I have one computer, running Vista and Outlook 2003 that has a problem with the shared appointments not showing up right (off by one hour) on the attendee's calendars when the attendees are experiencing Daylight Saving Time (ie, now...) The operating system is set to "Eastern Time GMT -5:00" with "Daylight Saving Time" check box checked. When I go into Outlook: Tools -> Options -> Calendar Options -> Time Zone it shows "Eastern Time GMT - 5:00" but the "Adjust for Daylight Saving Time" is not checked. I attempt to check it, but it won't stick. I have done several patches and updates that were supposed to address the DST issue for both Vista and Office, I have Office 2003 SP3 updated, and I've attempted to keep that darn box checked every way I know how...but when ever I open it back up, it is unchecked yet again. I even read this article with great interest: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/292893 because it claims to address the issue of the box not staying checked, in Outlook 2007. The problem is, you can't do what it says to do (click ok three times) because when you click ok the first time, the dialog closes. I'd really LOVE a way to get the check box to stay checked, as I think (hope....pray) this is the answer to this issue, which has been a thorn in the side for three or four weeks. the 3 ok's are to close the tz dialog, the calendar dialog and the options dialog... have you tried disabling dst in windows, setting it in outlook then checking the windows setting? Are you logged in as Admin? Does it work if outlook run as administrator?  SignatureDiane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook] Author, Teach Yourself Outlook 2003 in 24 Hours Need Help with Common Tasks? http://www.outlook-tips.net/beginner/ Outlook 2007: http://www.slipstick.com/outlook/ol2007/ Outlook Tips by email: dailytips-subscribe-request@lists.outlooktips.net Outlook Tips: http://www.outlook-tips.net/ Outlook & Exchange Solutions Center: http://www.slipstick.com Subscribe to Exchange Messaging Outlook newsletter: EMO-NEWSLETTER-SUBSCRIBE-REQUEST@PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM > I have one computer, running Vista and Outlook 2003 that has a problem > with [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > (hope....pray) this is the answer to this issue, which has been a thorn in > the side for three or four weeks. oh....now i understand the OKs...but that doesn't seem like much of a revelation! :-) I've tried it logged in as a user with ADMIN privileges (2 different users) and tried the "run as administrator" option, as well, thinking that perhaps there was some permission in the Vista User Account Manager deal that was causing the issue. I have tried changing the time zone in windows and trying to get Outlook to change back or whatever, and that didn't seem to make any difference, in the main time zone. I even tried to create a second time zone (which it will create with Eastern Time and DST marked) and then use the "switch time zones" button, which promptly causes outlook to uncheck the DST option on my behalf. Is there maybe a registry entry or something that is causing Outlook to ignore the system clock setting or somehow automatically ignore all DST? > the 3 ok's are to close the tz dialog, the calendar dialog and the options > dialog... [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > (hope....pray) this is the answer to this issue, which has been a thorn in > > the side for three or four weeks. I'm not aware of any setting in outlook, visible or hidden, that would tell it to ignore the DST setting. I'm thinking its something to do with the wonderful UAC. :) I know there are issues with changing the time and time zones with it enabled but that wouldn't explain it set in windows but not in outlook. Do you have the latest updates installed? There is a TZ update dated late Aug, not that I expect it to make a difference. Have you tried setting up a profile on a new windows acct? This will tell us if the profile is just with the window acct or with the whole computer. No need to do any thing fancy - just a simple profile so you can see if the setting sticks in it. A new outlook profile in your current windows user acct probably won't make a difference because I'm pretty sure this setting is a user acct setting, not a profile setting. SignatureDiane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook] Author, Teach Yourself Outlook 2003 in 24 Hours Need Help with Common Tasks? http://www.outlook-tips.net/beginner/ Outlook 2007: http://www.slipstick.com/outlook/ol2007/ Outlook Tips by email: dailytips-subscribe-request@lists.outlooktips.net Outlook Tips: http://www.outlook-tips.net/ Outlook & Exchange Solutions Center: http://www.slipstick.com Subscribe to Exchange Messaging Outlook newsletter: EMO-NEWSLETTER-SUBSCRIBE-REQUEST@PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM > oh....now i understand the OKs...but that doesn't seem like much of a > revelation! :-) [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] >> > in >> > the side for three or four weeks. I have applied the latest updates for both Outlook/Office 2003 and Vista, including the Office SP3 and a Vista update regarding DST specifically. The primary user (Jan) was the account having the problem. I added my account to the computer and got into Outlook and have the same problem. I assigned Administrator rights to both Jan and myself. I haven't tried a brand new "dummy" account, but I could do that if you think it might be helpful. I also haven't tried logging into Outlook with the local administrator account...mostly because I don't have an exchange mailbox, etc set up for it, and the local admin is not technically a domain member...I didn't think it would work, for testing purposes, though I suppose I could see if the check box issue was consistent... > I'm not aware of any setting in outlook, visible or hidden, that would tell > it to ignore the DST setting. I'm thinking its something to do with the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > acct probably won't make a difference because I'm pretty sure this setting > is a user acct setting, not a profile setting. As an update: I logged into the computer as the local administrator and tried the two things you suggested: 1) Take "adjust for DST" off the system clock, and then try to apply the "adjust for DST" option in the TZ dialog on Outlook. When I checked the box, and clicked ok (three times! :-) ) the system clock reset itself to "adjust for DST" but the TZ dialog, when it was reopened did not have the box checked again. 2) Obviously, the local admin was a "new" Outlook profile, and was not interacting with the exchange server or anything, as best I can tell, because it is not part of the domain. I tried to check the box several times, and each time it unchecked itself... > I have applied the latest updates for both Outlook/Office 2003 and Vista, > including the Office SP3 and a Vista update regarding DST specifically. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > acct probably won't make a difference because I'm pretty sure this setting > > is a user acct setting, not a profile setting. so just one user is having the problem? That rules out group policies... since it affects all users on the computer, its not a bad user acct. Check this setting: Open GPEDIT.MSC (run as admin) Under Computer Configuration->Windows Settings->Security Settings->Local Policies->User Rights Assignment See if builtin\users has rights to "Change the time zone" - if not or to test, add Jan's acct. SignatureDiane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook] Author, Teach Yourself Outlook 2003 in 24 Hours Need Help with Common Tasks? http://www.outlook-tips.net/beginner/ Outlook 2007: http://www.slipstick.com/outlook/ol2007/ Outlook Tips by email: dailytips-subscribe-request@lists.outlooktips.net Outlook Tips: http://www.outlook-tips.net/ Outlook & Exchange Solutions Center: http://www.slipstick.com Subscribe to Exchange Messaging Outlook newsletter: EMO-NEWSLETTER-SUBSCRIBE-REQUEST@PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM > I have applied the latest updates for both Outlook/Office 2003 and Vista, > including the Office SP3 and a Vista update regarding DST specifically. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> setting >> is a user acct setting, not a profile setting. I did as you suggested. The users assigned to "Change the Time Zone" were: Administrators LOCAL SERVICE Users I added Jan's user (even though she's an Administrator) and tried again. Same behavior. > so just one user is having the problem? That rules out group policies... > since it affects all users on the computer, its not a bad user acct. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > See if builtin\users has rights to "Change the time zone" - if not or to > test, add Jan's acct. dang. I was sure that would fix it. :( SignatureDiane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook] Author, Teach Yourself Outlook 2003 in 24 Hours Need Help with Common Tasks? http://www.outlook-tips.net/beginner/ Outlook 2007: http://www.slipstick.com/outlook/ol2007/ Outlook Tips by email: dailytips-subscribe-request@lists.outlooktips.net Outlook Tips: http://www.outlook-tips.net/ Outlook & Exchange Solutions Center: http://www.slipstick.com Subscribe to Exchange Messaging Outlook newsletter: EMO-NEWSLETTER-SUBSCRIBE-REQUEST@PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM > I did as you suggested. The users assigned to "Change the Time Zone" were: > Administrators [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> See if builtin\users has rights to "Change the time zone" - if not or to >> test, add Jan's acct. Forgive me for butting in as I don't have the previous history on what the exact problem is, but am assuming you cannot keep the "Adjust for daylight saving time" box checked in Outlook. I think this is directly linked to the same setting in Date and Time properties so perhaps there is some permissions issue or policy issue in your registry that does not manifest itself via the Group Policy editor. Look at the following key in the registry: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\TimeZoneInformation and if you see "DisableAutoDaylightTimeSet" set to DWORD 1 then that is the equivalent of having that box unchecked. Change this to 0 and see if that helps. If you can't change it due to permissions, then that's your answer... If you can change it and it then magically reverts later, search the registry policy sections for som setting that is causing this. HTH Harry >I did as you suggested. The users assigned to "Change the Time Zone" were: >Administrators [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> See if builtin\users has rights to "Change the time zone" - if not or to >> test, add Jan's acct. Ha®®y HarryKrishna.nospam@online.ie The problem is that DST is enabled in Vista but its disabled in Outlook - even though Outlook and the OS should have the same setting and changing it in one location should change it in the other. In Vista the key that holds the DST setting is DynamicDaylightTimeDisabled. SignatureDiane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook] Author, Teach Yourself Outlook 2003 in 24 Hours Need Help with Common Tasks? http://www.outlook-tips.net/beginner/ Outlook 2007: http://www.slipstick.com/outlook/ol2007/ Outlook Tips by email: dailytips-subscribe-request@lists.outlooktips.net Outlook Tips: http://www.outlook-tips.net/ Outlook & Exchange Solutions Center: http://www.slipstick.com Subscribe to Exchange Messaging Outlook newsletter: EMO-NEWSLETTER-SUBSCRIBE-REQUEST@PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM > Forgive me for butting in as I don't have the previous history on what > the exact problem is, but am assuming you cannot keep the "Adjust for [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > HarryKrishna.nospam@online.ie Thanks for the info. I'll try it on my Vista machine tomorrow but in the meantime I wonder if a workaround would be similar: If DynamicDaylightTimeDisabled is a DWORD of 1 perhaps changing it to 0 will do it.... >The problem is that DST is enabled in Vista but its disabled in Outlook - >even though Outlook and the OS should have the same setting and changing it >in one location should change it in the other. > >In Vista the key that holds the DST setting is DynamicDaylightTimeDisabled. Ha®®y HarryKrishna.nospam@online.ie This value reflects the setting in windows time and date applet. It should be 0 if DST is enabled, 1 if disabled. Outlook should read this value and its DST setting will reflect the values held in this key. It's a system wide setting so changing the DST setting in either windows or outlook should reflect when you change it in the other application. You can certainly try changing it there - if the value is 1, verify DST is enabled in windows. SignatureDiane Poremsky [MVP - Outlook] Author, Teach Yourself Outlook 2003 in 24 Hours Need Help with Common Tasks? http://www.outlook-tips.net/beginner/ Outlook 2007: http://www.slipstick.com/outlook/ol2007/ Outlook Tips by email: dailytips-subscribe-request@lists.outlooktips.net Outlook Tips: http://www.outlook-tips.net/ Outlook & Exchange Solutions Center: http://www.slipstick.com Subscribe to Exchange Messaging Outlook newsletter: EMO-NEWSLETTER-SUBSCRIBE-REQUEST@PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM > Thanks for the info. I'll try it on my Vista machine tomorrow but in > the meantime I wonder if a workaround would be similar: If [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > HarryKrishna.nospam@online.ie
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