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John Blackwell - 01 Feb 2006 11:16 GMT We run MS Outlook 2003 on an Small Business Server 2003 network. We use Outlook to store circa 8,000 contacts, defined under 14 categories. The problem we're encountering is, when entering new contacts, the categorisation is being handled differently by Outlook - i.e. we used to have categories separated by a comma, now it's a changed to a semi-colon. New contacts will not recognise two categories, i.e. categorisation such as 'Prospect' and 'Newsletter' will only be recognised as 'Newsletter'.
Before this drives me to distraction, can anyone suggest a fix?
Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook] - 01 Feb 2006 14:35 GMT Did users recently change their regional settings in Control Panel? That's where the text delimiter is defined.
You should still be able to set multiple categories on an item, though.
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> We run MS Outlook 2003 on an Small Business Server 2003 network. We use > Outlook to store circa 8,000 contacts, defined under 14 categories. The [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Before this drives me to distraction, can anyone suggest a fix? John Blackwell - 01 Feb 2006 15:29 GMT Hi Sue,
Thanks for the quick response. There's been no (conscious) changes to regional settings.
Our problems occur when we use a second category (we use this to designate our newsletter is required). It now seems as though Outlook's reached a limit and insists on using a semi-colon separator. It also ignores the original categorisation.
> Did users recently change their regional settings in Control Panel? That's where the text delimiter is defined. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > > Before this drives me to distraction, can anyone suggest a fix? Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook] - 01 Feb 2006 15:44 GMT Details? Number of categories per item? Number of characters? What steps are you following to set categories on items?
 Signature Sue Mosher, Outlook MVP Author of Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.turtleflock.com/olconfig/index.htm and Microsoft Outlook Programming - Jumpstart for Administrators, Power Users, and Developers http://www.outlookcode.com/jumpstart.aspx
> Hi Sue, > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> > >> > Before this drives me to distraction, can anyone suggest a fix? John Blackwell - 01 Feb 2006 16:24 GMT Number of categories per item? For circa 50% of our contacts, it's two. For the remainder it's one.
Number of characters? The longest category is 12 characters (Public Sector) or 11 (Competition). When using two categories, its 23 characters (Public Sector, Newsletter).
What steps are you following to set categories on items? Categories are defined in the Master Category list, and then assigned using Categories dialog box in the bottom right corner of the Contacts pop-up box.
> Details? Number of categories per item? Number of characters? What steps are you following to set categories on items? > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >> > > >> > Before this drives me to distraction, can anyone suggest a fix? Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook] - 01 Feb 2006 16:29 GMT I'd try running Help | Delete and Repair. Nothing about your configuration or usage suggests a possible cause of the problem.
What exactly happens when you select two categories in the Categories dialog?
 Signature Sue Mosher, Outlook MVP Author of Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.turtleflock.com/olconfig/index.htm and Microsoft Outlook Programming - Jumpstart for Administrators, Power Users, and Developers http://www.outlookcode.com/jumpstart.aspx
> Number of categories per item? For circa 50% of our contacts, it's two. For > the remainder it's one. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >> Details? Number of categories per item? Number of characters? What steps are you following to set categories on items?
>> > Hi Sue, >> > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> >> > >> >> > Before this drives me to distraction, can anyone suggest a fix? Judy Gleeson MVP Outlook - 02 Feb 2006 06:55 GMT I hope Sue gets this fixed for you....
In the meantime - you could make a new Field called Newsletter as a YES/NO field and check it for people wo are supposed to be sent it.
This would unclutter your category field too and show that there are lots of separate pieces of data you can hold about clients.
Judy Gleeson [MVP Outlook] Acorn Training and Consulting www.acorntraining.com.au
Everyone - turn on your Advanced Toolbars and learn how to use the Field Chooser and Group by Box!!
I'd try running Help | Delete and Repair. Nothing about your configuration or usage suggests a possible cause of the problem.
What exactly happens when you select two categories in the Categories dialog?
-- Sue Mosher, Outlook MVP Author of Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.turtleflock.com/olconfig/index.htm and Microsoft Outlook Programming - Jumpstart for Administrators, Power Users, and Developers http://www.outlookcode.com/jumpstart.aspx
"John Blackwell" <JohnBlackwell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:4A50798A-3BEC-4A53-97B6-E1F66C7F679F@microsoft.com... > Number of categories per item? For circa 50% of our contacts, it's two. For > the remainder it's one. > > Number of characters? The longest category is 12 characters (Public Sector) > or 11 (Competition). When using two categories, its 23 characters (Public > Sector, Newsletter). > > What steps are you following to set categories on items? Categories are > defined in the Master Category list, and then assigned using Categories > dialog box in the bottom right corner of the Contacts pop-up box. > > > >> Details? Number of categories per item? Number of characters? What steps are you following to set categories on items?
>> >> "John Blackwell" <JohnBlackwell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:8408D55B-D971-4AAA-AB85-1ABBF75FE17A@microsoft.com... >> > Hi Sue, >> > >> > Thanks for the quick response. There's been no (conscious) changes to >> > regional settings. >> > >> > Our problems occur when we use a second category (we use this to designate >> > our newsletter is required). It now seems as though Outlook's reached a limit >> > and insists on using a semi-colon separator. It also ignores the original >> > categorisation. >> > >> > >> >> Did users recently change their regional settings in Control Panel? That's where the text delimiter is defined. >> >> >> >> You should still be able to set multiple categories on an item, though. >> >> >> >> "John Blackwell" <JohnBlackwell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:4E6E8480-4790-46CB-85FC-EC9E42A8455A@microsoft.com... >> >> > We run MS Outlook 2003 on an Small Business Server 2003 network. We use >> >> > Outlook to store circa 8,000 contacts, defined under 14 categories. The >> >> > problem we're encountering is, when entering new contacts, the categorisation >> >> > is being handled differently by Outlook - i.e. we used to have categories >> >> > separated by a comma, now it's a changed to a semi-colon. New contacts will >> >> > not recognise two categories, i.e. categorisation such as 'Prospect' and >> >> > 'Newsletter' will only be recognised as 'Newsletter'. >> >> > >> >> > Before this drives me to distraction, can anyone suggest a fix? >> >> >>
John Blackwell - 07 Feb 2006 20:57 GMT Hi Judy,
I'm not sure I fully understand your suggestion. Where would I create the new field?
> I hope Sue gets this fixed for you.... > [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > >> >> > >> John Blackwell - 07 Feb 2006 20:54 GMT Hi Sue,
I've run Delete & Repair and still get the same issue.
When I select two categories, Outlook now decides to assign a semi-colon separator rather than a comma as it previously used. It also swaps the order of new categorisation, placing 'Newsletter' before any other category. Finally, it decides to only display one category rather than both. It's all very puzzling.
The net result is that I have to export the entire contact db on a regular basis, clean it, and reimport it. Not a satisfactory process.
> I'd try running Help | Delete and Repair. Nothing about your configuration or usage suggests a possible cause of the problem. > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >> >> > > >> >> > Before this drives me to distraction, can anyone suggest a fix? Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook] - 07 Feb 2006 22:23 GMT Did you ever check Regional Settings in Control Panel to see what the list separator is?
When you say it displays only one category rather than both, where are you seeing that behavior?
 Signature Sue Mosher, Outlook MVP Author of Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.turtleflock.com/olconfig/index.htm and Microsoft Outlook Programming - Jumpstart for Administrators, Power Users, and Developers http://www.outlookcode.com/jumpstart.aspx
> Hi Sue, > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Before this drives me to distraction, can anyone suggest a fix? John Blackwell - 07 Feb 2006 22:59 GMT Sorry Sue, I forgot to mention I'd done this action and (a) there had not been any changes, and (b) the settings were set to United Kingdom.
> Did you ever check Regional Settings in Control Panel to see what the list separator is? > [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Before this drives me to distraction, can anyone suggest a fix? Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook] - 08 Feb 2006 03:25 GMT But what, specifically, is the separator setting? Did you click the Advanced button to look?
 Signature Sue Mosher, Outlook MVP Author of Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.turtleflock.com/olconfig/index.htm and Microsoft Outlook Programming - Jumpstart for Administrators, Power Users, and Developers http://www.outlookcode.com/jumpstart.aspx
> Sorry Sue, I forgot to mention I'd done this action and (a) there had not > been any changes, and (b) the settings were set to United Kingdom. [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Before this drives me to distraction, can anyone suggest a fix? John Blackwell - 08 Feb 2006 07:41 GMT Hello Sue,
The separator setting is set to comma. I did indeed check the Advanced settings and that is also set to English (United Kingdom).
We have not made any changes to these settings and have been using Outlook 2003 to store our ~ 8,000 contacts for the last 3 years. The problems arose when we recently added the extra Newsletter category and tried to use 2 categories for some contacts. It's been from this point forward that we've experienced the issues we've described.
> But what, specifically, is the separator setting? Did you click the Advanced button to look? > > Sorry Sue, I forgot to mention I'd done this action and (a) there had not [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Before this drives me to distraction, can anyone suggest a fix? Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook] - 08 Feb 2006 13:38 GMT Does the problem occur only when the Newsletter category is added? Is there any possibility that you have some add-in installed that's also operating on these items? I have to ask because the behavior you describe doesn't match any Outlook problems I've ever heard of.
 Signature Sue Mosher, Outlook MVP Author of Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.turtleflock.com/olconfig/index.htm and Microsoft Outlook Programming - Jumpstart for Administrators, Power Users, and Developers http://www.outlookcode.com/jumpstart.aspx
> Hello Sue, > [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Before this drives me to distraction, can anyone suggest a fix? John Blackwell - 08 Feb 2006 14:11 GMT Unfortunately the problem occurs across several different 'double-categorisation' configs. Equally, there is nothing we have consciously added-in to cause this problem.
Always dangerous to come up with an uninformed opinion but it "feels" as though we've reached a contact capacity issue with Outlook.
> Does the problem occur only when the Newsletter category is added? Is there any possibility that you have some add-in installed that's also operating on these items? I have to ask because the behavior you describe doesn't match any Outlook problems I've ever heard of. > [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Before this drives me to distraction, can anyone suggest a fix? Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook] - 08 Feb 2006 14:27 GMT 8000 contacts isn't all that many, IMO. I think I have 3000 on my desktop in a PST file. I've heard of public folders with 20,000+, but usually on a machine with dual processors and lots of RAM. You might want to look at perf stats on the server to see if there's a problem there.
Is there a custom Outlook form involved? Any event sink on the folder?
You could also perform a simple test to see if the same problem occurs in a contacts folder in a .pst file. That might suggest whether it's a server or client issue.
 Signature Sue Mosher, Outlook MVP Author of Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.turtleflock.com/olconfig/index.htm and Microsoft Outlook Programming - Jumpstart for Administrators, Power Users, and Developers http://www.outlookcode.com/jumpstart.aspx
> Unfortunately the problem occurs across several different > 'double-categorisation' configs. Equally, there is nothing we have [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] >> >> >> >> >> >> > not recognise two categories, i.e. categorisation such as 'Prospect' and >> >> >> >> >> >> > 'Newsletter' will only be recognised as 'Newsletter'. Judy Gleeson MVP Outlook - 09 Feb 2006 07:37 GMT sorry John - was away for a bit:
Make a new field using the field chooser. New | make a yes/no type of field called Newsletter.
Use it to do your grouping (Group By Box) . All of these functions are on Advanced toolbar. --
Judy Gleeson [MVP Outlook] Acorn Training and Consulting www.acorntraining.com.au
Everyone - turn on your Advanced Toolbars and learn how to use the Field Chooser and Group by Box!!
8000 contacts isn't all that many, IMO. I think I have 3000 on my desktop in a PST file. I've heard of public folders with 20,000+, but usually on a machine with dual processors and lots of RAM. You might want to look at perf stats on the server to see if there's a problem there.
Is there a custom Outlook form involved? Any event sink on the folder?
You could also perform a simple test to see if the same problem occurs in a contacts folder in a .pst file. That might suggest whether it's a server or client issue.
-- Sue Mosher, Outlook MVP Author of Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003 http://www.turtleflock.com/olconfig/index.htm and Microsoft Outlook Programming - Jumpstart for Administrators, Power Users, and Developers http://www.outlookcode.com/jumpstart.aspx
"John Blackwell" <JohnBlackwell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:A271A894-B205-4542-9920-30BE4101735A@microsoft.com... > Unfortunately the problem occurs across several different > 'double-categorisation' configs. Equally, there is nothing we have > consciously added-in to cause this problem. > > Always dangerous to come up with an uninformed opinion but it "feels" as > though we've reached a contact capacity issue with Outlook. > > > >> Does the problem occur only when the Newsletter category is added? Is there any possibility that you have some add-in installed that's also operating on these items? I have to ask because the behavior you describe doesn't match any Outlook problems I've ever heard of. >> >> "John Blackwell" <JohnBlackwell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:328E7AF8-3F17-4C94-822E-D95862BD578F@microsoft.com... >> > Hello Sue, >> > >> > The separator setting is set to comma. I did indeed check the Advanced >> > settings and that is also set to English (United Kingdom). >> > >> > We have not made any changes to these settings and have been using Outlook >> > 2003 to store our ~ 8,000 contacts for the last 3 years. The problems arose >> > when we recently added the extra Newsletter category and tried to use 2 >> > categories for some contacts. It's been from this point forward that we've >> > experienced the issues we've described. >> > >> > >> >> But what, specifically, is the separator setting? Did you click the Advanced button to look? >> >> >> >> "John Blackwell" <JohnBlackwell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:16C561CD-E13F-4F8D-BEBB-4B9DB1FF8836@microsoft.com... >> >> > Sorry Sue, I forgot to mention I'd done this action and (a) there had not >> >> > been any changes, and (b) the settings were set to United Kingdom. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Did you ever check Regional Settings in Control Panel to see what the list separator is? >> >> >> >> >> >> When you say it displays only one category rather than both, where are you seeing that behavior? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "John Blackwell" <JohnBlackwell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:7C114945-7086-483B-BD3B-7EB2CE126A1C@microsoft.com... >> >> >> > Hi Sue, >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I've run Delete & Repair and still get the same issue. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > When I select two categories, Outlook now decides to assign a semi-colon >> >> >> > separator rather than a comma as it previously used. It also swaps the order >> >> >> > of new categorisation, placing 'Newsletter' before any other category. >> >> >> > Finally, it decides to only display one category rather than both. It's all >> >> >> > very puzzling. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The net result is that I have to export the entire contact db on a regular >> >> >> > basis, clean it, and reimport it. Not a satisfactory process. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> I'd try running Help | Delete and Repair. Nothing about your configuration or usage suggests a possible cause of the problem. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> What exactly happens when you select two categories in the Categories dialog? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "John Blackwell" <JohnBlackwell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:4A50798A-3BEC-4A53-97B6-E1F66C7F679F@microsoft.com... >> >> >> >> > Number of categories per item? For circa 50% of our contacts, it's two. For >> >> >> >> > the remainder it's one. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Number of characters? The longest category is 12 characters (Public Sector) >> >> >> >> > or 11 (Competition). When using two categories, its 23 characters (Public >> >> >> >> > Sector, Newsletter). >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > What steps are you following to set categories on items? Categories are >> >> >> >> > defined in the Master Category list, and then assigned using Categories >> >> >> >> > dialog box in the bottom right corner of the Contacts pop-up box. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Details? Number of categories per item? Number of characters? What steps are you following to set categories on items? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "John Blackwell" <JohnBlackwell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:8408D55B-D971-4AAA-AB85-1ABBF75FE17A@microsoft.com... >> >> >> >> >> > Hi Sue, >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Thanks for the quick response. There's been no (conscious) changes to >> >> >> >> >> > regional settings. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Our problems occur when we use a second category (we use this to designate >> >> >> >> >> > our newsletter is required). It now seems as though Outlook's reached a limit >> >> >> >> >> > and insists on using a semi-colon separator. It also ignores the original >> >> >> >> >> > categorisation. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Did users recently change their regional settings in Control Panel? That's where the text delimiter is defined. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You should still be able to set multiple categories on an item, though. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "John Blackwell" <JohnBlackwell@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:4E6E8480-4790-46CB-85FC-EC9E42A8455A@microsoft.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> > We run MS Outlook 2003 on an Small Business Server 2003 network. We use >> >> >> >> >> >> > Outlook to store circa 8,000 contacts, defined under 14 categories. The >> >> >> >> >> >> > problem we're encountering is, when entering new contacts, the categorisation >> >> >> >> >> >> > is being handled differently by Outlook - i.e. we used to have categories >> >> >> >> >> >> > separated by a comma, now it's a changed to a semi-colon. New contacts will >> >> >> >> >> >> > not recognise two categories, i.e. categorisation such as 'Prospect' and >> >> >> >> >> >> > 'Newsletter' will only be recognised as 'Newsletter'.
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