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MS Office Forum / General PowerPoint Questions / August 2006Powerpoint Font Issue
Powerpoint constantly mangles my fonts... is there a way to stop this? Its worse with any animated font. Please help! Powerpoint makes such ugly ugly fonts! No time to make png images of all my text in Photoshop to keep it nice no matter what... anything I can do to stop Powerpoint from totally wrecking the edges of my fonts??? goblynn93 see Anti-Alias Problems? Where? http://www.onppt.com/ppt/article1043.html Cheers TAJ Simmons microsoft powerpoint mvp awesome - powerpoint backgrounds, http://www.awesomebackgrounds.com free powerpoint templates, tutorials, hints, tips and more... > Powerpoint constantly mangles my fonts... is there a way to stop this? Its > worse with any animated font. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > anything > I can do to stop Powerpoint from totally wrecking the edges of my fonts??? WOW TAJ!!!! Thanks for that incredibly USELESS LINK.... to what? A soap box rant on how font issues are not an issue??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? Font issues would not even be a topic, let alone a reason to post a worthless web page on the supposedly non-existant issue... So when my clients come to me, on a gig they've paid me very well to produce powerpoint for them on, and they say "Hey... why does that font look like sh|t... what exactly am I supposed to tell them? "Well ya know you're audience will never see it..." On a 20 foot wide projection screen? In a room of 3000 people? Are you kidding? Powerpoint MANGLES fonts... there is no denying it. I posted looking for a solution and this is what I get... crazy talk from some lady on some web site who has no clue WHY this is an issue, other than her little tiny 20 inch presentations look great in her tiny office to an audience of 10 people... So does anyone have any REAL information on this issue? Or a work around other than using PS to produce images that powerpoint CAN'T mangle?? (not too bad at least...) So now I've written a nasty email, and posted a slight RANT.... all for an issue that some web site, and it seems the M$ self help community feels is a non-issue? Obviously no one cares... oh wait... I DO! > goblynn93 > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > anything > > I can do to stop Powerpoint from totally wrecking the edges of my fonts??? Someone has gone through and very sneakily eliminated all the posts for this particular font issue as well... as if M$ doesnt want it spread across their user boards, because it really is just a stupid issue, one that should have been caught and fixed prior to release, but wasn't. Now who knows what's going on. M$ denies there is an issue if you call their tech support... yet monthly I get talked to by a cient because the Powerpoint fonts look like crap and all I can do to fix it is spend hours (days on some presentations) to build all the text in Photoshop, bring it in as a .png (transparency in that is also REALLY ANNOYING since powerpoint CLAIMS to have full .png support) and then I've lost the ability to animate single letters, words, or anything else without just tons and tons and tons and tons of work going into it. How hard is it for M$ to just fix their engine and release a patch? Oh I forgot... with that transparency issue in 2002 M$ told me there was a fix... BUY OFFICE 2003!!! What kind of fix is that? Release broken product and then the fix comes in an upgrade purchase? How about taking my software that I paid full retail price for and MAKE IT WORK AS ITS SUPPOSED TO OUT OF THE DANG BOX!!! Yeah I'm ranting again... but its Microsoft that is going to drive me to Macintosh forever... and I hate macs! > WOW TAJ!!!! Thanks for that incredibly USELESS LINK.... to what? A soap box > rant on how font issues are not an issue??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > > anything > > > I can do to stop Powerpoint from totally wrecking the edges of my fonts??? I'm tempted not to respond to rants but ... (and you're welcome to rant at me, what do I know!) Jaggy fonts rarely if ever causes me problems but you will get a lot less of the jaggies with a plain color filled word art font. Not as flexible obviously but easier than using pngs fron photoshop. PS You shouldn't experience problems with transparancy in pngs if you are up to date with service packs in XP.  SignatureDid that answer the question / help? _____________________________ John Wilson Microsoft Certified Office Specialist http://www.technologytrish.co.uk/ppttipshome.html > Someone has gone through and very sneakily eliminated all the posts for this > particular font issue as well... as if M$ doesnt want it spread across their [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > > > > anything > > > > I can do to stop Powerpoint from totally wrecking the edges of my fonts??? goblynn93, We're all volunteers here. None of us take sides with MS. I'm not trying to hide that there is an issue with fonts getting the jaggies in powerpoint. I'm also pretty sure that things are not being censored in this NG to do with the problem... http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&q=powerpoint+fonts+anti+alias Certain color combinations make the fonts appear worse. In ppt 97/2000 days, a light background with black text looked worse, than ppt xp 2002/2003 days If you do not animate the text, then I've not had issues. I've not had issues on ppt 2003 with a RADEON X740. I can make the jaggy fonts appear by animating a ppt graph (dark text / light background) Certain graphics cards / bit depths / etc can make the problem appear. I don't have an answer as to why there is a problem - nor do I know how to make it go away. Cheers TAJ Simmons microsoft powerpoint mvp > I'm tempted not to respond to rants but ... (and you're welcome to rant at > me, what do I know!) [quoted text clipped - 103 lines] >> > > > I can do to stop Powerpoint from totally wrecking the edges of my >> > > > fonts??? TAJ, As I have never seen jagged fonts myself (I hardly ever animate text), do you have any idea if the issue still exists in 2007 with its new set of fonts? Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net > goblynn93, > [quoted text clipped - 141 lines] > >> > > > I can do to stop Powerpoint from totally wrecking the edges of my > >> > > > fonts??? I'll jump in here, since it is my article that caused the rant.I know that article isn't much help by itself, but if you look at the linked information, you can find out a lot more. We have done quite a bit of research on what causes the jaggies. No one at Microsoft has an answer beyond the workarounds that we have provided. One piece of the puzzle that isn't well known: Flat Panel displays are much more likely to show off the jaggies than regular displays. On the other hand, if you keep the video drivers up to date, they are also better handled. Another piece is that appears and disappears are less likely to have jaggies if the animation is a motion path. So, you might try having the animated piece disappear and a static copy just appear when the animation is done. Sometimes it works - sometimes it doesn't. That said... In 2007, there won't be these problems. the text and graphic handling was totally re-done. (OK - back to rest. Catch you all again later) SignatureKathryn Jacobs, Microsoft MVP PowerPoint and OneNote Author of Kathy Jacobs on PowerPoint - Available now from Holy Macro! Books Get PowerPoint and OneNote information at www.onppt.com I believe life is meant to be lived. But: if we live without making a difference, it makes no difference that we lived > TAJ, > [quoted text clipped - 176 lines] >> >> > > > my >> >> > > > fonts??? Every single link on that page related to this issue is dead. The only one that still works is the one to email you presentations... The jaggies are caused by poor programming by M$... on a PC its ALL M$... and I have never seen these issues on a MAC with ANY version of powerpoint... Also... you all keep talking about animated text... well for me animated text makes the issue worse, for sure... but I get this issue with ALL text over a certain size (and maybe in small text too but its too small to see...). And I have heard great things about PPT2007... I just hope it will run good under WinXP because if what I have seen of Vista is any clue to how it will be I will avoid it like the plague and go totally Macintosh once it becomes the mainstay. Vista is HORRIBLE. I'm sure you have all been through and through this but does graphic card make a difference? It seems it shouldn't, and specially since I use all Radeon, same cards the macintosh use, and they dont have issues... I see this on my desktop, laptop, laptop, desktop, desktop, desktop. One has a nVidia card and has more issues than just mangled fonts. But its old and used just as part of a render farm. Work arounds are great, when you have the time to program for them. My biggest issue, and the reason I use Powerpoint at all, is I have to be able to make last minute changes on the fly, update slides, update formatting, all kinds of stuff gets thrown at me literally 30 seconds before CEO's are supposed to go on stage and present... awful, but oh well... its a living... I would use Keynote if Powerpoint wasn't so available to all the corporates. I would use Macs if M$ could get their act together and figure out a way to prevent the awful and prevalant font corruption going PC to Mac or Mac to PC. Powerpoint's terrible handling of fonts forced me to invest in Macs simply to run mac built presentations. LAME. If I never had to make changes I would use Flash or Quicktime to present with but that can't happen at the speed Powerpoint can, or Keynote can. Thanks for the responses... good to know there are still good people here, willing to help, even for a ranting lunatic like me =) > I'll jump in here, since it is my article that caused the rant.I know that > article isn't much help by itself, but if you look at the linked [quoted text clipped - 195 lines] > >> >> > > > my > >> >> > > > fonts??? PPT 2007 runs on Windows XP SP2 (it does require SP2!), Windows Server 2003 and Vista. Currently, Office 2007 seems to work a lot better with XP than with Vista. Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net > Every single link on that page related to this issue is dead. The only one > that still works is the one to email you presentations... [quoted text clipped - 244 lines] > > >> >> > > > my > > >> >> > > > fonts??? > Thanks for the responses... good to know there are still good people here, > willing to help, even for a ranting lunatic like me =) Just wanted to point out that while riding into town with rantguns blazing may be satisfying to the soul (and heaven knows we all need to rant off some steam from time to time) it's not always the best way to attract help. But all the "it's better on a Mac" stuff is unproductive. You have a problem with your Windows computer and software? What happens on a Mac is irrelevant. Or a Mac will do what you need better. If so, it's silly to keep using a PC. Heh sorry TAJ you misunderstood... I don't think any of the wonderful volunteers on here would censor any issue... its M$ that has sensored this issue. I've posted on this 4 times before this... all 4 of those posts and their responses are gone... if I do a search for "Font" I get hits all the way back to 2003... and I posted on this all 4 times in 2005... those are all gone. > goblynn93, > [quoted text clipped - 134 lines] > >> > > > I can do to stop Powerpoint from totally wrecking the edges of my > >> > > > fonts??? I am a fanatic about updates. Has caused me problems in the past by updating to a bad update that M$ has given us but everything I have is up to date typically week by week. Depite all my updates I STILL have transparency issues with .png. If I use photoshop and do a "Save As:" and choose .png and load that into powerpoint all the transparency comes in black. To get it to work I have to do a "Save For Web" and then the issue clears up. Not a big deal but really annoying. I have the same issue in Internet Explorer with .png transparency... and this is across 2 laptops and 3 desktops, all the same issue. M$ told me, when I called about this issue in PPT2002 and the answer I got: yea, its a problem... it will be fixed in PPT2003... What kinda crap is that??? > I'm tempted not to respond to rants but ... (and you're welcome to rant at > me, what do I know!) [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > > > > > anything > > > > > I can do to stop Powerpoint from totally wrecking the edges of my fonts???
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