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MS Office Forum / General PowerPoint Questions / May 2008undesirable placeholder font change
In the slide master, a paragraph has 4 sentences within the placeholder. When making the 1st sentence font a larger size, all the subsequent sentences in the paragraph change. Why is this happening and any way to stop it? I realize a work around is to create a separate placeholder for the one sentence that needs to be larger, and a different placeholder for the remaining sentences. The question is why it is occuring in the first place. This is in PP2007 and the font used is not defined as a theme font. Any insight would be appreciated. Select the text in the placeholder and make the font bigger. It sounds to me like you have the placeholder itself selected -- so any change you make will apply to everything in the placeholder. Selecting just one level of text in the placeholder allows you to make changes to just it.  SignatureEcho [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx > In the slide master, a paragraph has 4 sentences within the placeholder. > When [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Any insight would be appreciated. No..that's not it. I realize now that I misstated the issue. The placeholder had multiple paragraphs in it, not sentences. When changing the font size of paragraph 1 to something larger, the remaining 4 paragraphs also change to that larger font size. I do not have the placeholder selected. Any ideas? > Select the text in the placeholder and make the font bigger. It sounds to me > like you have the placeholder itself selected -- so any change you make will [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > > Any insight would be appreciated. I'm sorry, I cannot repro this. Can you give step-by-step instructions for what you're doing? Start from View | Slide Master, indicate which slide master you've selected, and go from there. Or if it's one you created or modified, walk me through those steps also. SignatureEcho [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx > No..that's not it. I realize now that I misstated the issue. The > placeholder [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> > >> > Any insight would be appreciated. Oh, in addition to my other post, did you use Shift+Enter to create the "paragraphs"? That would add a soft return, dropping the text to the next line, but not actually creating a new, separate paragraph. SignatureEcho [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx > No..that's not it. I realize now that I misstated the issue. The > placeholder [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> > >> > Any insight would be appreciated. Hi Echo..thanks for the continued troubleshooting. My coworker actually created this presentation's additional slide master and asked to help with the weirdness she discovered here. Here are the steps she used: Went to master view and chose insert layout. To this new layout she added a graphic at the top, then chose insert placeholder to go below it. She added the paragraphs into the placeholder, originally all the same non-theme font type (Arial) and font size. I double-checked; she did not use soft returns. When she got all done she named the new layout. Later, she went back to change the font size in the 1st paragraph and discovered that it affected all the paragraphs in the placeholder. Does this help you? > Oh, in addition to my other post, did you use Shift+Enter to create the > "paragraphs"? That would add a soft return, dropping the text to the next [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > >> > > >> > Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks, Cayce. Can you ask her which type of placeholder she used when she "chose insert placeholder to go below [the graphic]"? Oh, wait, I think I know. When she's adding "paragraphs," they're all first-level bullets, right? Yes, those will all change together. See, the text in the placeholder is based on its position -- so, first level bullets, second level, third level and so on. See, PPT understands bullet levels, but it doesn't understand that you want the second or third instance of a first-level bullet to be a different size. You know? If your user needs to have different sizes of text, she needs to assign the text to a different bullet level. Now, you can make each level of text be in the same position as the previous level if necessary. Just drag the indent markers on the ruler, pressing CTRL while doing so. That will let her move the 2nd level bullets/text into the same position as the first level, but she can then make the font size for the two levels different. She'll of course need to use the "increase/decrease indent" buttons to move the text to the appropriate level when she's actually typing on the slide, though. That's confusing for many typical users, so I wouldn't recommend it if your user is creating a template or theme for lots of people to use. SignatureEcho [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx > Hi Echo..thanks for the continued troubleshooting. My coworker actually > created this presentation's additional slide master and asked to help with [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] >> >> > >> >> > Any insight would be appreciated. Echo..thanks for the insights; I think you are on to something. She thinks she chose the content placeholder. I just experimented in the master view of this file. I inserted a new placeholder of each type from those available. ALL of them start out with bullet first-level, even if you choose movie, clipart, or picture. Is there anyway to create a placeholder that does not automatically start out with a first-level bullet? In this case, the users of this slide are to enter text that should not be bulletized. This slideshow is going to be used by lots of folks. The last thing we want to do is introduce funky results for them. With that being said, is there a better approach to avoid the bullets populating automatically? Adding a text box does not allow for the user to edit content as we need to. Finally, is there any way to turn off when needed Power Point imposing bullets into content and NOT just dealing with it after the fact as you described earlier? Thanks for the continued assistance. > Thanks, Cayce. Can you ask her which type of placeholder she used when she > "chose insert placeholder to go below [the graphic]"? [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > >> >> > > >> >> > Any insight would be appreciated. You can remove the bullet formatting from the text in the placeholder, then there won't be bullets when the user types on the slide. But the text level doesn't change. (When I refer to "bulleted text level" or "first-level bullets," I just mean the text level -- whether it's formatted with a bullet or not.) I don't think there's a way to remove a first-level bullet, but you CAN position and size the text in the first level so it's the same size as the 2nd level if you want. (Both text placeholders and content placeholders have bulleted text levels. Think of those as just text levels that have been formatted with a bullet. You can remove that bullet formatting if you want.) I think the real issue here is just understanding text levels. SignatureEcho [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx > Echo..thanks for the insights; I think you are on to something. She thinks > she chose the content placeholder. [quoted text clipped - 136 lines] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Any insight would be appreciated. ok..to confirm, we will make all necessary font sizing, bullet removal, and indent removal changes in the placeholder. Then the users should have a clean starting point. If I am missing something here, please reply back. Thanks for sticking with this issue. I see these forums as a great teaching tool. > You can remove the bullet formatting from the text in the placeholder, then > there won't be bullets when the user types on the slide. [quoted text clipped - 153 lines] > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Any insight would be appreciated. That's exactly correct. SignatureEcho [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx > ok..to confirm, we will make all necessary font sizing, bullet removal, > and [quoted text clipped - 193 lines] >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Any insight would be appreciated. Can I offer a different approach? Since you can add your own placeholders in 2007, why not add two content placeholders instead of one? Set the first content placeholder to be formatted the way you want the first bullet on the slide and the second content placeholder the way you want the rest of the bullets. You can then turn off the bullets on whichever one doesn't need them. (Not sure if that is making enough sense to get my idea across. If not, post back and I will try to create a screen recording to show you what I mean.) SignatureKathy Jacobs, Microsoft MVP OneNote and PowerPoint Author of Kathy Jacobs on PowerPoint Get PowerPoint and OneNote information at www.onppt.com or on my blog, http://geekswithblogs.net/VitaminCH/Default.aspx I believe life is meant to be lived. But: if we live without making a difference, it makes no difference that we lived > Echo..thanks for the insights; I think you are on to something. She thinks > she chose the content placeholder. [quoted text clipped - 136 lines] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Any insight would be appreciated. Makes sense to me! In fact, I don't know why I didn't suggest it specifically. :-) SignatureEcho [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx > Can I offer a different approach? Since you can add your own placeholders > in 2007, why not add two content placeholders instead of one? Set the [quoted text clipped - 156 lines] >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks. Actually, in my 1st post on this thread I mentioned a workaround would be adding two separate placeholders. What I was struggling with was why this was happening. I have a much clearer understanding to that now. thanks to both of you. Namaste > Makes sense to me! In fact, I don't know why I didn't suggest it > specifically. :-) [quoted text clipped - 159 lines] > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > Any insight would be appreciated.
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