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MS Office Forum / Publisher / Commercial Printing / November 2003re: color change when converting RGB to CMYK
I have a problem everytime I get a publisher file to be printed as a 4-color process, when I receive the files, they all are RGB and when they get converted into CMYK they get REALLY DARK! any ideas I'm using Publisher 2002 on Windows 2000 SP3 thanks, Javier First, pub2002 is no good at handling CMYK. Actually it mixes too much Black into most colors. 2003 solves this problem (probably have a better color mixing table). What you are experiencing is also the fact that the "color room" is more narrow in CMYK than in RGB. For instance a bright red or blue will be difficult to find in CMYK. Remember that what you see on your screen is a mix of Red/Green/Blue, while the printing colours is Cyan/Magenta/Yellow/Black. Actually using Pub2003 and generating composite CMYK gives a printed result VERY close to what you see on your screen (if ts is "calibrated"). Regards Terje > I have a problem everytime I get a publisher file to be > printed as a 4-color process, when I receive the files, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Javier We get good results with Pitstop color conversion using icc profiles. send me the pdf and i'll convert it for you. We get paid to this for many printers in our area as they don't want to learn how easy it is to do. Rob > I have a problem everytime I get a publisher file to be > printed as a 4-color process, when I receive the files, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Javier If they have Acrobat, they can create a CMYK .pdf file for themselves. I did and it printed just lovely in the magazine. As a matter of fact, I am very proud of that ad (even if no one else knows I created the image). > We get good results with Pitstop color conversion > using icc profiles. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > > Javier We have had that problem for years and sorry to say this will never change. Our solutions to this problem is actually many different ways.... ..out #1 solution is creating a PDF and -sending it thru Quite a Box of tricks. I find this is the best RBG to CMYK conversion. There are a number of conversions with the extra program and we find the U.S. Sheet Feed to do the best job. -we also use pitstop with Acrobat. But, I still find it is not the best. -Another way to work with these pictures (which i work on a MAC G4) is with the black arrow tool hold down the control button and click the picture then it will give you a slide window and go to Edit Image. You can open it up in Photoshop or whatever program you do photo editing in and do you color conversion there. But that is like a last option. I use that way for Grayscale photos a lot to get the best detail. Hope this help >-----Original Message----- >I have a problem everytime I get a publisher file to be [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Javier >. Rubbish and more rubbish! All software evolves (is that the rigth word, sorry, Norwegian guy). The most unusefull attitude is to say "it will never change". Truly, Publisher up to 2002 has not been any success in handling colors, but 2003 changes all that. 2003 handles composite CMYK as good as anyone might want, unless you are making a "state of the art color magazine". I have by now made 2 successfull 60 page magazines in full color. Distilled as composite CMYK thru the "Generic Color for PS Commercial Print" driver. My printer ran it straight to the platemaker and produced a wonderfull magazine. Never, never believe those people who says that Mac and Pagemaker/Quark is the one and only solution. Halleluja! Why I love publisher? 95% of the computer knowledgeable people know MS Word. You can learn them Publisher in 10 minutes! The price is about 1000 NOK, InDesign or Quark cost 8-10 times that. Do you need a more convinsing reason? Best regards Terje (been around in computing since 1968, while Bill where still wearing nappers) > We have had that problem for years and sorry to say this > will never change. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >Javier > >. Terje I agree with you. Publisher 2003 is a major step forward in the right direction and a very worthwhile upgrade in all ways from Publisher 2002. Besides Publisher 2003 I also am a *big* fan of Serif PagePlus 9.0 which also does full CMYK and is great for long documents/books compared to Publisher. I use both extensively and between the two programs give me more options and features than the PageMakers or Quarks for a 1/10th of the price. I would not like to be without Publisher 2003 or PagePlus 9.0 which are both new programs and a quantum leap forward. PageMaker, Quark and InDesign enjoy your high prices while you can. Terje glad to see you are just another young'un like me.  SignatureThe US should free all those illegally held prisoners they are torturing, abusing and denying human rights being held at Guantanamo Bay. > Rubbish and more rubbish! > All software evolves (is that the rigth word, sorry, Norwegian guy). [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Terje (been around in computing since 1968, while Bill where still wearing > nappers) > Do you need a more convinsing reason? Sure, let's see one of your 2 successfull 60 page magazines. Would you mind sending it here to the states? JUNK! Sure! Its the one and only Norwegian Aeromodelling magazine, circulation 2000 copies. You want understand too much unless you read Norwegian, but you can always look at the pictures!!! Hope you can live with the fact that Microsoft has an advert on page 2 (FlightSim 2004)? BTW: The magazine has been around for some 25 years, but just recently we started using colors. Not to make excuses, but an expert may find the layout not too fancy/professional. The magazine is made on a voluntary basis by 9-10 people (editors), so the overall layout is a bit varying. But it is the colors that is of most interest I suppose. Give me your postal address, and a copy will be on its way. Regards Terje > > Do you need a more convinsing reason? > > Sure, let's see one of your 2 successfull 60 page magazines. Would you mind > sending it here to the states? > > JUNK! Hi Terje Martinsen (tema95@online.no), in the Microsoft? newsgroups you posted: || Sure! || Its the one and only Norwegian Aeromodelling magazine, circulation [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] || || Give me your postal address, and a copy will be on its way. Would you be able to send me a copy? And would you be able to email me a pub copy of it? Let me know via email: publisher@mvps.org SignatureBrian Kvalheim Microsoft Office Publisher MVP Official Publisher MVP Site: http://www.kvalheim.org This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. > Hi Terje Martinsen (tema95@online.no), > in the Microsoft? newsgroups [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Would you be able to send me a copy? And would you be able to email me a pub > copy of it? Let me know via email: publisher@mvps.org Responded directly to Brian. Terje Sherri I agree QABOT is definitely the best RGB to CMYK program. I should also stress that if the PDF file is a non Adobe PDF file, the results will be variable to undesirable. Javier I have been away and did not see your original post. In Publisher 2002, I always created a PDF file with Adobe Distiller using the Agfa Apogee PPD and then QABOT (Quite A Box Of Tricks) and never had any issue with the conversions. I however should add, that I always did the images in PhotoShop Auto Level before linking in Publisher. I have found Publisher 2003 to be a substantial improvement in the CMYK conversion, and have now done two full colour booklets in Publisher 2003 using the in-built CMYK in Publisher and they are picture perfect. Serif PagePlus 9.0 also offers full CMYK with in-built PDF, but to date, have stayed away from their PDF conversion. With the variable results I have seen from PDF wanna-be programs, for the time being, I will happily stick with the genuine Adobe product. SignatureThe US should free all those illegally held prisoners they are torturing, abusing and denying human rights being held at Guantanamo Bay. the black generation is off. to make a long story short, any rgb color can be converted to cmyk is a huge number of ways, all different by the way the "greyness" of the colors are handled in gnerating the black plate. some of these are pretty bad, some are good. without control over this, and MSPub 02 has no controls, you get what you get. which is why I always let my rip handle the conversion, because I can control the settings there. -- Mac Townsend, Adcom Graphics, Fairfield, California: Electronic Prepress & Large Format Imaging www.adcomgraphics.com >-----Original Message----- >I have a problem everytime I get a publisher file to be [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >thanks, >Use Adobe Photoshop! There is no other way to accurately control color! Even then you are pushing it by placing your photos in a microsoft product. Trust me I am a prepress manager at a large web and sheetfed printing outfit. >Javier >. Obviously the outfit you work for needs a new prepress manager that knows what he/she/it is doing. You are just another of the poorly educated half a.s printers that are in the majority. They have an *AWESOME* printing school in Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia that is the best in the world. They run summer and winter courses for foreigners over six weeks every year. Suggest you attend a course and get educated properly. Six weeks intensive will not do it, but it will certainly get you well on your way. SignatureThe US should free all those illegally held prisoners they are torturing, abusing and denying human rights being held at Guantanamo Bay. |
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