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MS Office Forum / Publisher / Commercial Printing / March 2007Publisher 2002 - Dual-Coloured File
Hi, I'm trying to set-up a file I've designed in Publisher (A5 Booklet) so that the outside pages are in colour but the inside section is black & white. The reason I need to distinguish is when I send it to our office printer it costs more to print entirely in colour, even if the designs are black and white. Is there a way I can do this? Thanks, Studsy. Two separate files. I had to do that last year because the cover for a handbook I created was printed on a much heavier stock that the rest of the 64 page handbook. Ask your printer how he/she would prefer it be set up - mine preferred two files to make his work easier. Snce he treats me very, I obliged.  SignatureJoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] ~~~~~ How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375 > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Studsy. Thanks, JoAnn. That would make my job very difficult as we are printing Football Programmes on our own specialist photocopier which folds and staples. Is there no other way apart from printing the covers and the inside pages seperately and folding and stapling by hand? Cheers, Studsy. > Two separate files. I had to do that last year because the cover for a > handbook I created was printed on a much heavier stock that the rest of the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > > Studsy. I really don't think so but you might want to read the documentation that came with your printer just in case. SignatureJoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] ~~~~~ How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375 > Thanks, JoAnn. That would make my job very difficult as we are printing > Football Programmes on our own specialist photocopier which folds and [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> > >> > Studsy. Generally speaking most RIP/printers aren't smart enough to handle this kind of job well and bill you accordingly. What happens is that Publisher hands off the art to the printer in RGB. This implies that the black text and pictures you have also come in as RGB *even though* it is visually black and white. So the printer/RIP gets this color information and converts it all to CMYK. Even if the RIP/printer was able to detect this RGB black and gray coming from Publisher you still have to deal with how "dumb" the device itself is when it comes to counting clicks. I put "dumb" in quotes because to us it is dumb how it does it but to the vendor it is "smart". Again, generally speaking the printers receive the job from the RIP (either external or embedded) and in that job there is information that tells the printer which ink/toner cartridges to use at the beginning of the job. Most often if there is *any* color coming down in the job the CMYK information is sent. So then the printer charges you for color for *all* the pages in the job even if some or most are black and white. All the printers I have worked with can't tell the difference between pages 1 and 4 being color and 2 and 3 being black and white an only billing me for 6 clicks. I've always been billed 16 clicks for a job like this. It doesn't matter if the job comes from InDesign, Quark, Word, Publisher, etc. How do you circumvent this? Print all the color or all the black and white first, then load the stock back into the printer and print the other color set. Pretty? No... Easy? No... Cheaper? Not in labor but yes in clicks. The question then becomes where do you want to spend the money? Do you spend it on labor to print it twice to get the lower click count? Or do you print it once and let automation take over while you have lunch? Either way it's going to cost you. Matt Beals Consultant Enfocus Certified Trainer Markzware Recognized Trainer (206) 201-2320 - Main (720) 367-3869 - eFax mailto:matt@mattbeals.com Come visit me at: http://www.mattbeals.com http://forums.mattbeals.com http://blog.mattbeals.com Friends don't let friends write HTML email On 3/2/07 6:17 AM, in article 07C8D60E-A813-4F4C-8E79-A23BF6002048@microsoft.com, "Studsy" > Thanks, JoAnn. That would make my job very difficult as we are printing > Football Programmes on our own specialist photocopier which folds and [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >>> >>> Studsy. Thanks for your excellent and detailed response, Matt. I'll copy and paste your suggestions into an E-Mail to our Printer Contractor and see what his response is! Regards, Studsy. > Generally speaking most RIP/printers aren't smart enough to handle this kind > of job well and bill you accordingly. What happens is that Publisher hands [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > >>> > >>> Studsy. > Thanks for your excellent and detailed response, Matt. I'll copy and paste > your suggestions into an E-Mail to our Printer Contractor and see what his [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> to >> CMYK. My main experience is with Canon printer/copiers. Certainly our CLC3200 can distinguish between colour and black on a per page, not per job basis, and click accordingly. Whilst it is also supposed to see R=G=B=0 as black, it can get fooled into seeing RGB "black" pages as colour. There are various ways of dealing with this. As we virtually always print from PDF, no matter what the source of the file, we can use Quite a Box of Tricks (www.quite.com) to force individual pages into greyscale. The other method is, as a previous poster suggested, to print the cover and content as separate files. Many printer/copiers do have the ability to recombine files into a single document, using for example a "mailbox" facility. Whatever method is used, it is usually worth printing a test copy and noting how many clicks are used, followed by a bit of trial and error if the result is not what you wanted. Signature-------------------------------------------------------- Chris Griffiths email: chris@stroudprint.co.uk StroudPrint phone: 01453 764251 Gloucestershire, England fax: 01453 752916 -------------------------------------------------------- I v y d e n e A s s o c i a t e s L t d -------------------------------------------------------- Thanks also for your advice, Chris. It's looking like we are going to have to print the covers and the insides seperately and hand staple the documents. It's a bit of a pain as we are supposed to have an 'all-singing, all-dancing' new printer but I don't think we have any other options. Regards, Studsy. > > Thanks for your excellent and detailed response, Matt. I'll copy and paste > > your suggestions into an E-Mail to our Printer Contractor and see what his [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > test copy and noting how many clicks are used, followed by a bit of trial > and error if the result is not what you wanted. |
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