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MS Office Forum / Publisher / Web Design / March 2006How do I make a web page appear as large as screen when uploaded?
I created a web page with Publisher. How can I make it appear to take up all available screen space when it is accessed on the web? Thanks. You can't. Publisher sites have white space to the right of them.  SignatureJoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] >I created a web page with Publisher. How can I make it appear to take up >all > available screen space when it is accessed on the web? Thanks. I wanted to add a link to David's column, "Understanding background padding in a Publisher web (aka white space)" http://msmvps.com/blogs/dbartosik/articles/80563.aspx SignatureJoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] > You can't. Publisher sites have white space to the right of them. > >>I created a web page with Publisher. How can I make it appear to take up >>all >> available screen space when it is accessed on the web? Thanks. If publisher cant do a %width as its not a web design tool as such, What does the panel recomend as software to use for web design Thanks Darren FrontPage or Dreamweaver | If publisher cant do a %width as its not a web design tool as such, | What does the panel recomend as software to use for web design | | Thanks | | Darren Actually, you can. At least with Publisher 2000. I do it everyday of the week. The technique consists of setting the page format to a specific resolution setting, i.e.: 800x600 pixels for 15" monitors (currently in decline), or 1024x768 pixels for 17" monitors (pretty much universal these days), or other settings for larger monitors. As to the measurements... well, that's a trade secret, but with trial and error you'll eventually get it right. You can even make a web page accommodate more than one resolution setting. You'd be amazed at what Publisher 2000 can do with a little resourcefulness; things that Microsoft people in these epistles consistantly claim cannot be done. It leaves those in-line editors like DreamWeaver, GoLive, and the rest of it for dead. I find they're too slow and too cumbersome to use in a professional environment. > You can't. Publisher sites have white space to the right of them. > > >I created a web page with Publisher. How can I make it appear to take up > >all > > available screen space when it is accessed on the web? Thanks. I'd like to see one. | Actually, you can. At least with Publisher 2000. I do it everyday of the | week. The technique consists of setting the page format to a specific [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] | > >all | > > available screen space when it is accessed on the web? Thanks. Sure Rob, http://www.karaokeklubhouse.com.au > I'd like to see one. > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > | > >all > | > > available screen space when it is accessed on the web? Thanks. Geoffrey...looks left justified to me with a ton of room off to the right, just like most Publisher webs. | Sure Rob, | http://www.karaokeklubhouse.com.au [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] | > | > >all | > | > > available screen space when it is accessed on the web? Thanks. All I see is a lot of stuff that makes for an annoying website. SignatureJoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] > Geoffrey...looks left justified to me with a ton of room off to the right, > just like most Publisher webs. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > | > | > >all > | > | > > available screen space when it is accessed on the web? Thanks. JoAnn, are you keeping with the wrong crowd? Tusk, tusk. Such a nice girl is going bad. SignatureDon "May your shadow be found in happy places." (Native North American) > All I see is a lot of stuff that makes for an annoying website. > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] >> | > | > >all >> | > | > > available screen space when it is accessed on the web? Thanks. No, I just stated a simple opinion. I see a lot of flash but little substance. Just personal opinion, nothing else. And I didn't get nasty. I could have said things that were much meaner but it's just not that big a deal. SignatureJoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] > JoAnn, are you keeping with the wrong crowd? > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] >>> | > | > > available screen space when it is accessed on the web? >>> Thanks. JoAnn, This website was not designed for you or me, it was designed for the customers of the site's owner and according to the feedback I get they like it just the way it is. > All I see is a lot of stuff that makes for an annoying website. > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > | > | > >all > > | > | > > available screen space when it is accessed on the web? Thanks. I'm sure they do. I am just not a fan of black backgrounds and lots of moving, twirling, twinkling things. I like a cleaner simpler page where I can easily find what I'm looking for. I kind of doubt that a site for something Karaoke-related is a site that I would access. There ain't enough booze in the US to get me drunk enough to make that big of an a.s of myself. I sing in my car often - but rarely ever if I am not alone. ;-) SignatureJoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] > JoAnn, > This website was not designed for you or me, it was designed for the [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] >> > | > | > > available screen space when it is accessed on the web? >> > Thanks. JoAnn my darlink! I agree with you 100% After waiting a couple of weeks for the site to load at dialup speed, I got motion sickness trying to look at it on my 800x600 17 inch monitor. I am not as polite as you are...it sucks big time! And our friend lost me when he started talking about trade secrets. We share technical information here; we don't act smarter than thou. >I'm sure they do. I am just not a fan of black backgrounds and lots of >moving, twirling, twinkling things. I like a cleaner simpler page where I >can easily find what I'm looking for. I kind of doubt that a site for >something Karaoke-related is a site that I would access. There ain't enough >booze in the US to get me drunk enough to make that big of an a.s of myself. >I sing in my car often - but rarely ever if I am not alone. ;-) Imagine it on a 19" screen. <shudder> SignatureJoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] > JoAnn my darlink! I agree with you 100% After waiting a couple of weeks > for [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >>myself. >>I sing in my car often - but rarely ever if I am not alone. ;-) I have a 19" CRT down in the lab running 800x600, and it is very scary on it. I really like 800x600, but then my vision is not the best. >Imagine it on a 19" screen. <shudder> Rob, As you can read on the foot panel, the site is optimised for resolution setting 1280 x 768 and it will have a lot of room at the right for smaller resolution down to 1280 x 1024, BUT NO WHITE SPACE. > Geoffrey...looks left justified to me with a ton of room off to the right, > just like most Publisher webs. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > | > | > >all > | > | > > available screen space when it is accessed on the web? Thanks. sooo...it's like black? no difference there just change the bg color. I thought you had a solution for the pub layout issue. | Rob, | As you can read on the foot panel, the site is optimised for resolution [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] | > | > | > >all | > | > | > > available screen space when it is accessed on the web? Thanks. Your site's width is setup with the Page setup in Publisher and it is displayed on my 19" monitor (1152x864) with a +/- 1.5" space on the right and on my laptop (800x600) requires horizontally scrolling. I don't think you can claim page width settings as a secret. A lot of action on that site; outstanding graphics. (My voice is better suited for mimicking rather than karaoke). SignatureDon "May your shadow be found in happy places." (Native North American) > Sure Rob, > http://www.karaokeklubhouse.com.au [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> | > >all >> | > > available screen space when it is accessed on the web? Thanks. Don, Yes there is space on the right, BUT NO WHITE SPACE. The pages are optimised for 1024 x 768, therefore horizontal scrolling is inevitable in 800 x 600. They are left justified because some of the graphics imposed it. > Your site's width is setup with the Page setup in Publisher and it is > displayed on my 19" monitor (1152x864) with a +/- 1.5" space on the right [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > >> | > >all > >> | > > available screen space when it is accessed on the web? Thanks. No white space on my sites. I thought it was automatically done when using a background color http://www.iinet.com/~k1294lodge/ http://www.vanusa.org/ But this one does have white space because the background color is white. http://www.pacifier.com/~dschmidt/DEFCON/ Don Publisher 2000 > Don, > Yes there is space on the right, BUT NO WHITE SPACE. [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >> >> | > >all >> >> | > > available screen space when it is accessed on the web? Thanks. If you use some kind of tiling graphic for a background, I think it will tile across the screen no matter the resolution. It gives the illusion that the page fills an oversized screen better than it really does (depending on the pattern). A publisher page formatted for high resolution will of course take scrolling to view on a lower resolution monitor. That is arguably more annoying than the alternative. The magic this lad has figured out is old hat to Publisher users who struggle daily with kludges and tricks to make things look half decent. The real question is when the hell is M$ going to fix Publisher. >No white space on my sites. I thought it was automatically done when using a >background color [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] >>> >> | > >all >>> >> | > > available screen space when it is accessed on the web? Thanks. I don't think Microsoft will ever get away from left justified webpages in Publisher. Publisher is to get you interested in site creation and then dangle Front Page in front of you for dessert. SignatureDon Vancouver USA > If you use some kind of tiling graphic for a background, I think it will > tile [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] >>>> >> | > > available screen space when it is accessed on the web? >>>> >> Thanks. Fine. Then why in gawd's name didn't they make it easy to upgrade to FrontPage? If the philosophy you enunciate was ever on their minds, then they would be eager for folks to buy FrontPage and import their Publisher websites. Instead, it is a mind numbing nightmare to make the transition if you stay in Publisher long enough to have more than a couple of pages to switch over. I would propose this is simply a case of M$ having their collective heads up their a.ses (surgical installation of a navel lens may be in order). I have suggested for over five years they are obligated to produce a conversion utility that will get Publisher webpages into FrontPage, but said suggestion has of course fallen on deaf ears (or incredibly stupid or stubborn ones). >I don't think Microsoft will ever get away from left justified webpages in >Publisher. Publisher is to get you interested in site creation and then >dangle Front Page in front of you for dessert. The mistake MS made was adding the webpage feature to Publisher. They'll never fix it, imo, because the primary function of pub is for dtp, not web design - same for: Excel and Word which can also be used to generate html (yecho) | If you use some kind of tiling graphic for a background, I think it will tile | across the screen no matter the resolution. It gives the illusion that the page [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] | >>> >> | > >all | >>> >> | > > available screen space when it is accessed on the web? Thanks. That is the usual explanation one sees. But it begs the question of why they let it get so far out of hand. It would have been trivial to use the same html generation engine technology across all Office applications early on. Instead, they have created a mess that severely pisses off customers (at least this one, anyway). Perhaps the problem is traceable to Bill's initial failure to grasp the importance of the web. After that, there was frantic catching up to do, and not enough thought to little details like making all Office suite programs web code compatible. Just speculation, but for sure somebody had their head firmly implanted where it should not have been. On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:45:11 -0700, "Rob Giordano \(Crash\)" <webmaster@siriussystems.invalid> wrote: >The mistake MS made was adding the webpage feature to Publisher. They'll >never fix it, imo, because the primary function of pub is for dtp, not web [quoted text clipped - 100 lines] >| >>> >> | > > available screen space when it is accessed on the web? >Thanks. imo they should not have included the feature in Pub at all, if it were my product I'd try to make it the best darn DTP on the market period...not have it try to do a also make webs. Personally, if I were marketing FP I'd have 3 modules; Basic, Intermediate and Advanced...add on upgrade modules so-to-speak. Basic...50 bucks, Intermediate add another 50 something like that. FP is a moot point right now though. I've been messing with EGD and am waiting patiently for EWD beta to be released..but I have a feeling when it's all said and done and it's on the market - I ain't gonna be able to afford EGD and EWD. So I'll end up with my old PS6 and have to buy EWD eventually. | That is the usual explanation one sees. But it begs the question of why they | let it get so far out of hand. It would have been trivial to use the same html [quoted text clipped - 113 lines] | >| >>> >> | > > available screen space when it is accessed on the web? | >Thanks. You can add a body <center> tag in the notepad file and it will center the page, BUT you will lose the use of the bottommost background layer which can thus only be used for assigning a background color. This places enormous limitation on design, particularly when it comes to active components on the intermediate and top layers. I used the 3 available layers in the design of the website cited above, i.e.: I made a background image wide enough to cover 1280 x 1024 and in so doing avoid "ghosting" of the image in high resolution. Indeed, the location of the central graphic in this case required left justification of the pages. Where you can organise the design in such a way that no active component will be superimposed on a large graphic element, it is then possible to cope with only two layers and then center the pages. In any case, it's good practice to specify the page format optimisation. Many corporations have opted for the 800 x 600 format and just as many leave their pages left justified. Sorry to disappoint you if I haven't come up with a panacea for Publisher's shortcomings. Yet, Publisher allows one to create a decent webpage in far less time than these "you beauty" in-line editors and, I believe, it does so with reasonable results. The website quoted above was created in 4 days, including graphics. It is one of the weirdest design I ever made and I had fun doing it. My brief for it was: >Karaoke music >night-life >fun >lots of color >bright neon lights >blinking signs >atmosphere of the 1950s/60s. I think I fulfilled the brief. Regrettably, it is not representative of what I normally do. I regard my daily work on business and corporate web pages as extremely dull and boring with their imposed color schemes, preservation of company image, and established logos and style. Cheers mate > imo they should not have included the feature in Pub at all, if it were my > product I'd try to make it the best darn DTP on the market period...not have [quoted text clipped - 147 lines] > | >| >>> >> | > > available screen space when it is accessed on the web? > | >Thanks. |
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