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unofornaio - 28 Jul 2007 04:42 GMT If Im trying to up load my site from pub03 and it is not working (major understatment) could it be a problem that I have not submitted the site to any search engines?? I have had the add for sometime its not a new account. If you go to the site www.milansmarket.com it has the host compay info and says this site is under construction. You know I dont know what is more frustrating trying to figure out how to do this from the Publisher 03 side or the IX hosting side. Do these people just assume everyone know the terminoligy or what? Why cant there just be a set of basic First you do this, then you do this, then you do this, instructions? I have read most of the info here on uploading your site but quite frankly its just as bad. This is what IX hosting says about uploading your site to their server. Uploading Your Site Whenever possible, upload your site using the utilities that come with your web-site development software. For instance, if you made your site with SiteStudio, FrontPage or Dreamweaver, use their integrated web publishing tools. If you made your site with simple text editors, or if your site-building software does not have a publishing utility, use freestanding FTP clients, such as CuteFTP, SmartFTP, or the built in File Manager.
Please note that site publishing tools do not remove your old web content from the server. For instance, if you used SiteStudio to upload a site with 15 pages and later you published an updated 7 page version of this site, your directory on the server will have all the new pages and the old pages that haven't been overwritten. If you publish many versions of the website, the site may become cluttered with old files. Warning: If you have a complete website, be careful not to overwrite it with a publish command.
Don't upload your site to the root of your user directory! Instead, put it to the specific directory. See below for more information.
DavidF - 28 Jul 2007 13:23 GMT Uploading your web files to your webhost has nothing to do with submitting your site to search engines. Figuring out how to upload your website to your webhost can be confusing at first, but once you figure it out is an easy process. You are basically just transferring your web files generated from Publisher, from your computer to your web host computer...their server.
IX web hosting supports both FTP and HTTP uploading protocols. You will need to use HTTP if you are using a form on your site, otherwise you will probably find FTP uploading the easiest to do. If you choose FTP then I agree with IXwebhost's recommendation that you download and install the free FTP client FileZilla, which you can find at http://filezilla.sourceforge.net/. You will also find documentation about how to set up and use FileZilla.
Your host actually has rather good documentation compared to most: http://www.ixwebhosting.com/index.php/v2/pages.manual
Here is another group of articles about how to upload your website. Hopefully one of them will describe the process in a way that you can understand.
Prepare, publish, and maintain your Publisher Web site: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/publisher/HA011053521033.aspx
David Bartosik's articles about uploading: http://msmvps.com/blogs/dbartosik/archive/category/1921.aspx Unless you are using forms on your website you can use FTP uploading protocol. If you are using forms HTTP uploading will be required. There is also a troubleshooting article.
Three top questions about publishing a Web site using Publisher 2003: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/publisher/HA011186811033.aspx?pid=CH063577001033
Troubleshoot publishing Publisher Web sites: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/publisher/HP062535831033.aspx?pid=CH063577001033
DavidF
> If Im trying to up load my site from pub03 and it is not working (major > understatment) could it be a problem that I have not submitted the site to [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Don't upload your site to the root of your user directory! Instead, put it > to the specific directory. See below for more information. Rob Giordano (Crash) - 28 Jul 2007 14:39 GMT How did you publish the existing website then?
N.B. - milansmarket.com does not have FrontPage server extensions intstalled so you'll have to use ftp method of publishing.
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| If Im trying to up load my site from pub03 and it is not working (major | understatment) could it be a problem that I have not submitted the site to [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] | Don't upload your site to the root of your user directory! Instead, put it | to the specific directory. See below for more information. unofornaio - 28 Jul 2007 15:48 GMT Last night I was frustrated. I use their program and just hit upload to see how long it would take, it was instant.......that is NOT what I want up there though. I will try again today thank you both for your help.
> How did you publish the existing website then? > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > | Don't upload your site to the root of your user directory! Instead, put it > | to the specific directory. See below for more information. Mike Koewler - 28 Jul 2007 16:42 GMT Rob,
It's a holding page loaded by the web host.
Mike
> How did you publish the existing website then? > > N.B. - milansmarket.com does not have FrontPage server extensions intstalled > so you'll have to use ftp method of publishing. unofornaio - 28 Jul 2007 22:18 GMT Hey all that helped, I got the site up (well the welcome page anyway) check it out at http://www.milansmarket.com
My next step is to make this fade into the company logo and information upon clicking on it. No clue how to do that but I will look through the other posts. Suggestions and or comments on whats up and how to do what I plan will be appreciated. Dont hold back I can take it. Thanks again
> If Im trying to up load my site from pub03 and it is not working (major > understatment) could it be a problem that I have not submitted the site to [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > to the specific directory. See below for more information. > Mike Koewler - 29 Jul 2007 23:22 GMT Wow! One impressive home page - I'm like trying to figure out how to find more information.
You could use Flash to create the effect you are looking for or perhaps a progressive jpg. My stats show that about 98 percent of visitors have Flash enabled, but the two percent who don't will not have any clue what is supposed to happen.
Mike
> Hey all that helped, I got the site up (well the welcome page anyway) check > it out at http://www.milansmarket.com [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >>Don't upload your site to the root of your user directory! Instead, put it >>to the specific directory. See below for more information. Rob Giordano (Crash) - 30 Jul 2007 00:44 GMT look at it in FF though.
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| Wow! One impressive home page - I'm like trying to figure out how to | find more information. [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] | >>Don't upload your site to the root of your user directory! Instead, put it | >>to the specific directory. See below for more information. DavidF - 30 Jul 2007 01:19 GMT Actually it views pretty well in FF for me. Much better than IE as it crashes IE on occasion. The reason is posted above.
DavidF
> look at it in FF though. > [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > it > | >>to the specific directory. See below for more information. Rob Giordano (Crash) - 30 Jul 2007 02:38 GMT not here...no detail in the shadow..some lines look like just dots...same for the text.
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| Actually it views pretty well in FF for me. Much better than IE as it | crashes IE on occasion. The reason is posted above. [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] | > it | > | >>to the specific directory. See below for more information. unofornaio - 30 Jul 2007 00:46 GMT Hey Mike,
Are you bustin my balls or are you serious?..I know its not much but it supposed to make the customer STOP and read it. If your serious thanks for the complement. Please tell me more about what a progressive Jpg is and if I have to cut off my right arm to do it with publisher. Thanks J.P.
> Wow! One impressive home page - I'm like trying to figure out how to > find more information. [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > >>Don't upload your site to the root of your user directory! Instead, put it > >>to the specific directory. See below for more information. Mike Koewler - 30 Jul 2007 06:02 GMT J.P.
I was being dead serious! I like the way it looks and the enticement it offers. The background is great - the "only" thing I could nit-pick about is that it is turned into a graphic, but that doesn't hurt anything as there are no links in it.
A progressive jpg is akin to an interlaced gif. The browser loads a very lo-res image of it and then it "progressively" gets better. I was trying to find a program that saves as a progressive jpg but my search was futile. I know there are some - maybe someone else knows. Irfranview may, but I'm missing a plug-in to the newest version.
Mike
> Hey Mike, > [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] >>>>Don't upload your site to the root of your user directory! Instead, put it >>>>to the specific directory. See below for more information. Rob Giordano (Crash) - 30 Jul 2007 14:39 GMT Having only an image on your main page does hurt something...your SEO position. Search engines can't read what's in an image.
Almost any image editor can save as a progressive...however, I'm not sure how that would solve the op's question about transitioning an image.
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| J.P. | [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] | >>>>Don't upload your site to the root of your user directory! Instead, put it | >>>>to the specific directory. See below for more information. DavidF - 30 Jul 2007 01:19 GMT Actually you need to change one other thing before you proceed. It appears that you are using some .wmf files, which may be the clipart for the wheat or grass clumps at the bottom left and right of the your design. When Publisher converts the page to html, it converts those to .wmz files. In some cases, on some non-window servers, this causes IE to crash when you load the page. It did with me when I viewed the page.
The workaround is to copy the clipart, and open it in an image editing program, and save it as a gif file, reinsert where you were using the clipart. Alternatively, you can just Paste Special back onto the Pub page as an image, and that should also convert it to a gif.
This one example where something that works well in a print document does not work when converted to html.
DavidF
> Hey all that helped, I got the site up (well the welcome page anyway) > check [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >> it >> to the specific directory. See below for more information. unofornaio - 30 Jul 2007 02:18 GMT Thanks guys. NOW I know why It crashed me (IE) several times at first, I finally went to my neighbor and asked him to view it (IE) did the same thing twice then it was Ok. I have a cable connection and Im concerned about slower connections (as everything I read says I should) but I think once I srtaighten all the graphic names out it shouldnt be a problme hu? there is not much there and the rest of it (working on it) is just as simple well the products will have very good quality pictures so people can see what they are ordering but the rest is pretty simple.
Can I NOT just use the graphics manager select the image and save it as a gif? I have been working on a COPY of this page to make the changes because I'm afraid to touch the original one I'm still not 100% sure what I did to get it there. Also I had others view it via a link I posted and when I typed in the add www.milansmarket.com the link shows up as "Welcome" which is the name I saved the page as in pub when uploading. the file folder that welcome is contained in on my control panel is called milansmarket.com so if I want to change the name of the page (welcome) so it shows up in link form as "Milansmarket.com" will this file not conflict with the folder of the same name? In repaying assume I know NOTHING please.. Thanks for looking this over for me I would never have thought of this stuff. BTW the site is for my Italian Bakery I see no reason not to send you guys some cookies for helping me. When I mean I appreciate it I really mean it. Thanks again
> Actually you need to change one other thing before you proceed. It appears > that you are using some .wmf files, which may be the clipart for the wheat [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > >> it > >> to the specific directory. See below for more information. unofornaio - 30 Jul 2007 04:54 GMT DAVID-----wait...Ive been browsing some posts. I have publisher 2000 installed separately on my system since you clearly know more than me should I just start over before I go any further with this in 2003? is it THAT much better?
> Thanks guys. > NOW I know why It crashed me (IE) several times at first, I finally went to [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] > > >> it > > >> to the specific directory. See below for more information. DavidF - 30 Jul 2007 14:13 GMT You are asking some open ended questions here, that will require some more reading and planning on your part.
First of all you need to face the limitations of using a DTP to produce a website. Publisher is ok for simple, small static websites, but it is not the best program to produce a website...regardless of the version. As you rethink which version to use, you should also rethink whether you should use some other program entirely. If you have been reading the recent posts, you will run across a discussion with a FrontPage MVP who argues that no one should ever use Publisher to produce a website. It may be that you should invest the time and money to buy and learn how to use the FrontPage replacement Web Expression, or some other program specifically designed for web development. Most of this depends on the goals for your website. If you have some ambitious goals for your site, then you will probably outgrow Publisher and eventually move to Web Expression. If you plan on KISS then you can probably use Publisher.
The first article you should read: Using Publisher for web sites: http://msmvps.com/blogs/dbartosik/articles/80566.aspx
Then you ask should you use Pub 2000 or 2003. Personally I prefer 2000, but once again there are advantages and disadvantages to both. When MSFT adopted Publisher into the Office family in Office 2002, they changed the html coding engine in Publisher in a big way. There were a number of other changes, so the next two articles you should read are:
Web Publication Changes Made in Version 2002 of Publisher: http://msmvps.com/blogs/dbartosik/pages/81262.aspx
Publisher 2003 - What's new in web design for this version: http://msmvps.com/blogs/dbartosik/pages/80555.aspx
One of the differences in the way Pub 2000 and 2003 can be seen in your welcome page, or "splash page". You have constructed the page by overlapping a text box with a fancy border with at least two images. You can layer images and text like this in 2003, but Pub 2000 will convert all those objects into one image. You can see this for yourself by opening a blank web page in Pub 2000 and opening your publication in 2003. Then File > Select All > Copy. Move to your Pub 2000 page and paste. Do a web page preview in both and see if you can see the difference.
Also you should Publish to the Web with your Pub 2003 page, and direct the output to a folder on your computer...I usually send to my Desktop so it is easy to find and delete when I am done. Then in Pub 2000 do a Save As a web page, and direct that output to another folder on your computer. Open the folders and study the files. In Pub 2000 you will see that you have one GIF file that includes all the text, border and the other two images. In 2003 you will see multiple files and perhaps multiple copies of the different images in multiple formats and quality. This is because Publisher 2003 uses VML. Oh and by the way, in Pub 2003, be sure to go to Tools > Options > Web tab and uncheck "Rely on VML..." and "Allow PNG...", before you Publish to the Web.
The use of VML in Pub 2003 web publications is one of the biggest differences. When you insert an image into a Pub 2000 document and convert to html, Publisher will make one copy of that image at the size of the picture box and at 96 dpi. When you insert an image in Publisher 2003, because of VML, Publisher can make multiple copies in various formats and resolutions, such as PNG, GIF and JPG with the goal of serving up the best image depending on what browser is used to view the site. You will get one image with IE and another image with FireFox, for example. Once again you should test this out for yourself, by downloading and installing FireFox. http://en.www.mozilla.com/en/firefox/
Yes, I know, this probably sounds like a pain in the rear gear, but if you are serious about wanting to build your own site, and even answering the question about what program to use, then you will take this necessary step. FF is a fairly small download, and installing it does not mean that you have to use it instead of IE. Just be careful as you install it that you do not make it the default browser.
Assuming that you have downloaded and installed FF, now open FF, File > Open File and browse to the two Publisher folders you created earlier and open the .htm file in the Pub 2003 folder and the .html file in the Pub 2000 folder. Compare within FF, and then compare to what you get in IE. In Pub 2000 what you see in FF will probably look just like what you get in IE. Remember that by overlapping the images and the text Publisher converts to a GIF. However, in FF, you should see an entirely different quality page. This is because of VML and the way the Publisher html coding engine works.
What you just tested was the cross browser capability of the two programs. Pub 2000 generally has better cross browser capability....but you can workaround some of those differences in Pub 2003.
There are some more issues and differences to consider, but at this point I am out of time, and you are probably already overloaded. Try to get FF installed and do the comparisons and tests I have suggested, and I will add more to this discussion later...perhaps this afternoon or evening. As I said, there is no simple answer to your question as to whether to use Pub 2000 or 2003...or a different program entirely. What is important is take some time now answering those questions and planning your site...and the goals you have for your site. Time spent now educating yourself about your options and planning your site will pay off in the future.
DavidF
> DAVID-----wait...Ive been browsing some posts. I have publisher 2000 > installed separately on my system since you clearly know more than me [quoted text clipped - 144 lines] >> > >> it >> > >> to the specific directory. See below for more information.
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