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Stumped - 25 Nov 2007 15:05 GMT

I am using Publisher 2003. on Windows XP.

I followed the Great post below and it worked. I was so thrilled it solved
my problems, yesterday. But today, I made changes to the orginal Publisher
2003 newsletter converted to a web publication. I followed the same
procedurees and hit a wall. I am using GoDaddy as my host. The FTP client
has my index.htm file and the index_file. but both have yesterdays date! I
don't know if this is the problem but I am pulling my hair out. Also, I was
wondering how to add a backdround color behind the white pages of my
website. My address is:
Web Site URL: http://collectorsofantiqueblackorethnicdolls.com
( I went crazy on my domain name I collect black and ethnic dolls)

This is my frist website. I have many changes I will need to make until I
get it right. Thank You, Bev

I The post below is from a very helpful post on 10/31/2007A funny thing
happed?ftp Problem.
John,

Thanks for posting back, and I am glad you sorted it out.

With the introduction of IE7, using FTP uploading protocol has changed and
made things a bit more complicated. That is why I suggested that you go
ahead and use a separate FTP client.

Good luck, and if you have additional questions, we will see you in the web
group.

DavidF

"John" <John@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E6473AD5-7AC6-4296-B7FC-997C038547D4@microsoft.com...

> Thank you for your reply. It worked well and got us back up.
>
> Not as easy at first as what Publisher said was needed to up load but it
> worked. We are using IE7 (But have lost our tabs?) on XP Pro.
>
> "DavidF" wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> Here is a short answer. Web CEO is search engine optimization software,
>> and
>> in general you probably should not be modifying any of the Publisher html
>> files with it...at least not for now. However, if you can access your web
>> host with the FTP tool that comes with it, do so. Delete the index.htm
>> file,
>> the index1.htm file if there is one, the index_files folder and the
>> index1_files folder if they are there.
>>
>> Now open your Pub file. Go to Tools > Options > Web tools and uncheck
>> "Enable incremental publish..." and "Rely on VML..." and "Allow Png...".
>>
>> You should also compress your graphics. Reference: Compress graphics file
>> sizes to create smaller Publisher Web pages:
>> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/publisher/HA011266301033.aspx
>>
>> Now File > "Publish to the Web" and when the Save In dialog comes up
>> choose
>> My Computer and direct your output to a folder on your hard drive where
>> you
>> can find it. Then choose "index.htm" as the file name...not "index1.htm".
>> You should get a confirmation that Publisher "has created a filtered HTML
>> version of this publication" which will include an "index.htm" file (your
>> home page) plus an "index_files" folder which will contain your other
>> pages
>> and all your supporting graphics. DO NOT go to File > Save As a web
>> page,
>> as this will produce unfiltered or "rich" html files, which is what you
>> seem
>> to have done before. Also don't modify the new index.htm file or any of
>> the
>> files in the index_files folder with anything in Web CEO.
>>
>> Instead just open your FTP tool and logon to your website, and upload the
>> new index.htm file and the index_files folder that you just produced and
>> are
>> sitting in that folder you created on your hard drive to hold them, to
>> where
>> your old index.htm file was. Upload the index_files folder intact to the
>> same directory level as the index.htm file.
>>
>> If this doesn't fix your problem, please copy and post this thread and
>> your
>> follow up web related questions to the web group:
>> microsoft.public.publisher.webdesign and we will try to help you there.
>> Please tell us if you are using IE6 or IE7, Vista or XP, and describe
>> what
>> specific steps you have taken. Thanks.
>>
>> DavidF
>>
>> "John" <John@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:272C3869-F26B-41DF-8990-9198F7A321FA@microsoft.com...
>> > Using Publisher 2003 to upload web site, 5 pages.
>> >
>> > If I use the wizard from the "My network places" window to set up new
>> > FTP
>> > Location it will go on to connect to Host service and open a screen
>> > that
>> > shows folders and files. Question - How do I then upload the site
>> > (when I
>> > hit save in screen behind on the publish to the web screen I get an
>> > error.
>> > "Not a file location"
>> > Once wizard has set the new ftp location and it appears in the "My
>> > Network
>> > places" it will not go error message - "This error message is usually
>> > associated with an attempt to access an FTP (File Transfer Protocol)
>> > web
>> > site
>> > through a fire wall/proxy server and the proxy settings are not set
>> > correctly
>> > to gain access.
>> > To avoid this error message, change the FTP proxy settings to allow
>> > access
>> > to the site."
>> > Question - How did the wizard get through and the "Publish to the web"
>> > function can't?
>> > I tried Web CEO to load it. It can show the files and folders but the
>> > upload is incomplete see www.dragonflymagic.com.au and you will see
>> > what I
>> > mean.
>> > Any ideas peoples, Thanks John

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DavidF - 25 Nov 2007 16:59 GMT

First of all, I am glad you took the time to read other posts and found some
answers. Secondly, I am not clear about how you are actually trying to
update your site.

After you make the changes in your Publisher file on your computer, then you
will Publish to the Web and create a new set of html files, including the
index.htm file and the index_files folder that contain the supporting
graphics and other pages in your site. Then I get confused. You say your FTP
client has your files...are you using FileZilla or another standalone FTP
client, or are you using the built-in FTP uploading method with IE 6, or the
new method that is required with Vista or IE 7? Either way, the next step is
to upload the new html files to your site, and they should overwrite the old
files. You also have the option of going to your site first, and deleting
the old files, but that is probably unnecessary. If you are using a stand
alone ftp client, then when you Publish to the Web, you will direct the
output to a folder on your computer, from which you will use the ftp client
to upload. What is confusing to me is when you say those files have
yesterdays date...please explain.

As to a background color, go to Format > Background and you can add color,
an image, or texture to the background.

You should also compress your graphics. The images on your home page take a
long time to load. Reference: Compress graphics file sizes to create smaller
Publisher Web pages:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/publisher/HA011266301033.aspx

DavidF

>I am using Publisher 2003. on Windows XP.
>
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>>> > mean.
>>> > Any ideas peoples, Thanks John

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Stumped - 25 Nov 2007 22:40 GMT

The easy thing first. My problem with the background is that when I apply the
background the text boxes are white and color fills between the columns. I
would like the page to stay white but the margin or rather the background the
page sits on to be different. I have used both the view menu Master Page
method and the format background method. What am I missing?
I copied GoDaddys FTP Help information to explain what type of FTP service
they are using . You guessed right when you wrote "What is confusing to me
is when you say those files have yesterdays date" That is the correct. On
November 24th when I did this procedure and updated my website, the file date
was November 24th. Today, as many times as I upload the life the date of
upload is November 24th and Not November 25th. I see the name of the file
index.Htm and 67 for the file size, then November 24 and not November 25. The
index_file, does not show a size but it has the same November 24th date. I
can not figure out why the date is not updating and I suspect that is my
problem. I am getting everything you wrote would happen, I hit publish to
the web, ok, my computer, my documents, my file, change the save in file to
index.htm and get a message asking if its out to overwrite, click yes, get a
computer message about the html files. Go to the host FTP file clilent upload
both files, but the website does not change. And you can't tell anything was
updated because the date is still November 24th! ..... And thank you for the
information about the graphics and the background.
FTP Program
You can upload files to your Web site using this simple FTP program. If a
security certificate window displays, click Yes to accept the certificate and
open the FTP program.

NOTE: While you should be able to upload and download simple files without a
problem, this FTP client is not designed for transferring large amounts of
data. If you need to transfer a lot of files, use a standard FTP client. This
FTP program does not currently support file/directory names that use
characters other than those found in the US-ASCII character set.

To manage directories and files, right click in the directory listing window.

To upload content, select content in the "Local System" area on the left
side of the screen. Click the >> button to move your local files to your
hosting server.

To download files from the remote location to your local system, select the
file(s) from the remote location and use the << button to move them.

................................. Thanks you for the photos problems I am
going to do that now!
Bev

> First of all, I am glad you took the time to read other posts and found some
> answers. Secondly, I am not clear about how you are actually trying to
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> >>> > Any ideas peoples, Thanks John

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DavidF - 25 Nov 2007 23:40 GMT

Don't use the Master Page with a web publication!

Part of the problem you are having is that you are using a print formatted
newsletter as a web page. You must begin to understand that there are big
differences in the two medias. Even if you solve the background color issue
to your satisfaction, you are going to have other issues. If you look
through your site, and study the text, your will see several places where
the text is cropped off, some of it is missing, the columns are too close to
each other and the font size varies even within some text boxes. Eventually
you will need to produce two different versions of your newsletter...one for
print, and one for the web. Or, you will convert your print formatted
newsletter to a PDF file, upload it to your site and link to it from your
site, so people can view it as it was formatted for print. But one way or
the other, you are going to need to change the way you design for your
website.

For the short term, perhaps you can figure a different way to lay your page
out that will look as you want it, if you read and understand this article:

Understanding background padding in a Publisher web (aka white space)
http://msmvps.com/blogs/dbartosik/archive/2006/01/07/80563.aspx

I am thinking that a short term solution would be to create a new text box
exactly the size of your current text and content, fill it with white color,
and send it to the back of your current content. If it is the least bit
different in size, you are going to end up with a weird looking page, with
some white extending out from your current content into the background
color, but it is something you can try.

Then I would eventually read:
Convert a print newsletter for use on the Web (2003):
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/publisher/HA011030981033.aspx

And
Tips and troubleshooting for sending a publication page as an e-mail message
(2003):
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/publisher/HP010390591033.aspx?pid=CH062524821033
This one may not seem to apply, but I think it will give you some idea of
what things you have to format differently when you build a webpage. Read
the formatting tips.

Bottom line is there are things that you can do in print media, that you
can't do in web media, and you will need to start learning the difference.

Now as per the FTP issue. I think I would suggest that you consider
downloading and installing
the free FTP client FileZilla:
http://filezilla-project.org/ It is likely to be easier for you to use than
the ftp client from GoDaddy. Take the
time to also download the excellent documentation and read it. In other
words, read the directions.

A short term answer to your problem on the dates...just delete the old files
off the server, and upload new ones. Also as you are using ftp, then also go
into Tools > Options > Web tab and uncheck the option to use incremental
uploading, and while you are there, also make sure to uncheck "rely on
vml..." and "allow png...".

Hope that helps.

DavidF

> The easy thing first. My problem with the background is that when I apply
> the
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>> >>> > Any ideas peoples, Thanks John

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Stumped - 26 Nov 2007 00:44 GMT

Thank You so much!
I did not realize there was a difference between print and web because I
thought converted was, well, converted. I am trying to do too much. The good
news is that this whole experience has made me want to learn more. I am
going to take all your suggestions and re-think the whole thing and read the
articles. I really want a website and not a newsletter. So, I have to get
away from the newsletter idea completely. I saved all my articles on Word so
I can just start over. Thank You for your time, I can tell you there are
lurkers out there who really appreciate all you do for us.
Bev

> Don't use the Master Page with a web publication!
>
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> >> >>> > If I use the wizard from the "My network places" window to set up
> >> >>> > new

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DavidF - 26 Nov 2007 13:03 GMT

Bev,

You are welcome. I am glad it leaves you wanting to learn more vs. less ;-)

Here are a few other links that you might want to read as you formulate your
plans for your website:

Using Publisher for web sites :
http://msmvps.com/blogs/dbartosik/articles/80566.aspx
Publisher is a DTP with limited web building capability. If you have
realistic expectations and goals for your site, then you can use Publisher
to build your site, but you should realize that it is intended for
relatively simple static sites. In other words, KISS.

Publisher and the Web:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/publisher/CH062559071033.aspx
Here are an assortment of articles about using Pub 2003 for web design.

And here is another more generic article about web design:
http://www.webdesignfromscratch.com/

And finally, on the lighter side, but still helpful:
http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/

Have fun...

DavidF

> Thank You so much!
> I did not realize there was a difference between print and web because I
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>> >> >>> > new

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