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MS Office Forum / Publisher / Web Design / April 2008Drag and Drop Index .pub files into mapped FTP folder 2 cng webpag
Using Pub 2007, and after creating my website pages, I was able to upload them successfully to my host site (GoDaddy). However, when I make a changes to the website, I am trying a different process that worked once, but not again. In my computer I have an FTP folder (ftp.website name.com) inside of which are five files: _db_backups; index_files; stats; gdform.asp; index.htm; and welcome.html. Last night I merely dragged the index_files created when I built my website in Publisher 2007 from a folder on my hard drive to the FTP folder, and the existing website pages were changed were needed. I assumed that the index_files in the FTP folder on my computer were replaced by the changed index_files from my Publisher file. Since I mapped the FTP server to drive Z on my PC the user name and password should allow the pages at my website to be modified with the changed or index files --index_files. It worked once, but never again. When I drag the changed index_files from my folder on the hard drive, titled, HOA wegsite 1.pub, to the FTP folder on my computer, I see a window indicating the the files are being copied, but it goes on and on for hours. Last night I did the same thing, and in 15 minutes, the website pages were updated, and changed. Am I on cloud nine, or is what I did possible? I hope the definition of my procedure was clear enough to get an answer. Thanks, Thomboy you shouldn't publish the stats folder to the server (the server shouldn't let you anyway) nor the .pub files  Signature~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rob Giordano Microsoft MVP Expression | Using Pub 2007, and after creating my website pages, I was able to upload | them successfully to my host site (GoDaddy). However, when I make a changes [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] | | Thanks, Thomboy Hey, Rob, I don't think the stats nor .pub files were published to the website. I merely mentioned all the files in the FTP folder on my computer to explain that I thought I could drag the index_files from my Publisher .pub document to the FTP file and they would replace the existing index_files in the FTP folder, and viola, the new pages would be published at the Website. Thanks for the reply. > you shouldn't publish the stats folder to the server (the server shouldn't > let you anyway) [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > | > | Thanks, Thomboy When you "Publish to the Web" Publisher will produce an "index.htm" file (your home page) and a "index_files" folder that contains the supporting graphics and additional pages to your site. Try logging on to your FTP site BEFORE you try to drag and drop BOTH the new index.htm file and the index_files folder to the FTP site. Sometimes it helps if you delete your old index.htm file and index_files folder from the FTP site before uploading the new. If that makes you paranoid, then just rename the old files, and leave them where they are in case something goes wrong. Consider downloading, installing and using FileZilla for your FTP client. DavidF > Hey, Rob, I don't think the stats nor .pub files were published to the > website. I merely mentioned all the files in the FTP folder on my [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] >> | >> | Thanks, Thomboy Thanks, David, you have mentioned before using FileZilla as a FTP client, so I will go to the site, download it, and begin using it to FTP my changes to the host site. Another question: On my website, too many text box and picture images overlap. Is there any easy fix without manually using Design Checker to find and fix the problems? Too many viewers talk about the overlaps, but I don't see them on my computer running VISTA Ultimate with a screen resolution of 1680 X 1050 pixels. When I use my wife's laptop, running Windows XP, with a screen resolution of 1440X 900 pixels, I do. Thanks, Thomboy > When you "Publish to the Web" Publisher will produce an "index.htm" file > (your home page) and a "index_files" folder that contains the supporting [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > >> | > >> | Thanks, Thomboy Thomboy, I think you will find that once you get FileZilla installed and learn how to use it, you will find it easier and faster. Be sure to download the documentation/instructions. As per your other question, I am going to guess about what the problem is since you did not provide a link. I am guessing that your monitor on your desktop is set at 96 dpi, and your wife's laptop is set at 120 dpi. You can right click your desktop, properties, settings, advanced to check this. Many of the new laptops are coming set at 120 dpi from the factory. Unfortunately Publisher outputs everything including the text at 96 dpi, and when you view it at 120 dpi the page can exhibit the symptoms you describe. And there is no fix... If that is not the problem, then post a link to a page where you are having the problem, and be specific about what you are seeing. DavidF > Thanks, David, you have mentioned before using FileZilla as a FTP client, > so [quoted text clipped - 106 lines] >> >> | >> >> | Thanks, Thomboy The website URL: http://www.lcn-hoa.com Some of the pages have overlapping text and picture boxes, e.g. half of a line of text is missing due to a picture image overlapping the text box. See goal #6. Thanks for looking at the site. Another question: I downloaded the appropriate version of FileZilla, and there is one set of instructions in the documentation area is called, "Compiling FileZilla 3 under Windows," and mentions a number of items that I don't know: 1. MinGW 2. MSYS 3. MSYS Developer Toolkit 4. Compilation flags 5. autotools 6. Liviconv 7. Libidn 8. Gettext, etc. Do I need to make these changes to Windows Ultimate to use FileZilla? Thanks for following my entries, David. Your help is much appreciated. Thomboy > Thomboy, > [quoted text clipped - 126 lines] > >> >> | > >> >> | Thanks, Thomboy What did you download? Filezilla is here; http://filezilla-project.org/download.php?type=client Signature~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rob Giordano Microsoft MVP Expression | The website URL: http://www.lcn-hoa.com | [quoted text clipped - 155 lines] | > >> >> | | > >> >> | Thanks, Thomboy Thanks, Rob, when I went to the FileZilla site and started looking for instructions regarding how to use the FTP clilent, I downloaded four sets of documents not knowing which ones were needed: Client Installation; Nerwork Configuration; Quick Guide; and Compiling Filezilla 3 Under Windows. I wil go to the site using your link, and download the right FileZilla. Many thanks, Thomboy > What did you download? > [quoted text clipped - 193 lines] > | > >> >> | > | > >> >> | Thanks, Thomboy The good news is that I guessed wrong. Your problem is simply that you need to make your text boxes a bit bigger and potentially move some other design elements away from the text boxes. I only spotted a few, so it shouldn't be that hard to lengthen the text boxes a bit. Also be sure to note the "nudge" tool. It is handy for moving things just a few ticks. As Rob suggested, it appears that you downloaded the wrong version of FileZilla. You want the client side, not the server side. DavidF > The website URL: http://www.lcn-hoa.com > [quoted text clipped - 184 lines] >> >> >> | >> >> >> | Thanks, Thomboy Hey, David, many, many thanks for looking at the Website. I think you are right on wth your assessment, and that is actually good to hear. I have not yet used the "nudge" feature. Does the nudge feature know how much the nudge needs to be to eliminate overlap issues, or do I keep looking at the website, or better, should I use the website preview tool? BTW, I am starting to hear that the viewers who saw the overlaps were using either Netscape or Mozilla as their browser, and that will make a HUGE difference. I guess when I downloaded all the "information" for FileZilla, I didn't know which sets I actually needed. Please look at the list I left with my reply for Rob; probably only one or two of them is needed for the FTP Client. I didn't see at the FileZilla site any directions for which set of instructions would be needed for the client versus the server FTP software. I was almost ready to go back to using Dreamweaver for my website software, but like all learning curves, because it was steeper, not that Publisher is bad software, but because I can't forget my old, and outdated habits. Like I said, thanks for coming back to review my comments. Using the Publisher process to upload the index.ftm and index_files leaves a lot to be desired. I know that once I get the correct copy of FileZilla, and begin to use it, I will be less frustrated with this small, and static website. Only two pages will ever change. Thanks, and I will most likely be back at the watering hole again when I hit another snag. Thomboy > The good news is that I guessed wrong. Your problem is simply that you need > to make your text boxes a bit bigger and potentially move some other design [quoted text clipped - 195 lines] > >> >> >> | > >> >> >> | Thanks, Thomboy Thomboy, Actually I probably just confused you by talking about the nudge feature. I was looking at your goal 6, and how the text is cropped, suggesting that the text box was too small. Assuming that the line below this is up against the text box, I would then select the line below it, and "nudge" it down a couple ticks in order to make a little room to lengthen the text box above. And then assuming that you have the "snap" to option enabled (Arrange > Snap and check all the options) I would drag the bottom of the text box down until it "snapped to" the line. Pub 2007 allows you to use the arrow keys to nudge a design element, but it does not lengthen the text box. It is just a way of fine tuning your layout along with the snap to feature. In this case, as I look at your page again, you could still just lengthen the text box a tad, but also the problem might be because of the formatting, and in particular the numbering. I have found that bulleted lists and numbered lists when converted to html can give unpredictable results. Remember that you are using a DTP, and that not all print formatting techniques can be translated to web format. So in this particular case, you might be able to just lengthen the text box to compensate, or you may need to change the formatting. You might also try using Shift + Enter at the end of each numbered item instead of Enter. This can sometimes help the spacing in a bulleted list. Go to View > Special Characters to see the difference in the hard return. And all this is a long winded way of saying that absolutely you need to use web preview. That will tell you what the page is going to look like when you do publish it. Then you can move things around, lengthen text boxes etc before you publish. I think you just install the Client version of Filezilla...don't worry about the other stuff. Publisher uploading was not that bad before MSFT changed IE and Vista. You can no longer FTP through IE as of IE7, and HTTP uploading is also totally different. Unless you are using a form, then using a third party ftp client is going to be easier and faster. If you have Dreamweaver, that is by far a better program for web building, but as you suggest, if you have a simple static site, Publisher is fine. As per FireFox...download and install a copy to test your site. It is a small download, and chances are you may end up liking it better than IE. DavidF > Hey, David, many, many thanks for looking at the Website. I think you are > right on wth your assessment, and that is actually good to hear. I have [quoted text clipped - 272 lines] >> >> >> >> | >> >> >> >> | Thanks, Thomboy Hi David, thanks for the detailed help regarding how to make those nudge changes. I do have Mozilla loaded on my PC, so I will use it a my browser to see if the changes you suggest make it better for IE viewers. Maybe you are getting tired of my questions, but I have another one. When I began using FileZilla, I was able to connect with my host site, but for some reason, after I made new changes to my Publisher site used for the website you saw, and viewed MY COMPUTER, the index_files folder, contained below the folder in which the .pub document is stored, did not update when I saved the changes to the .pub file. I had planned to drag and drop the updated index_files folder into the left side of the FTP client, along with the index.htm, but if they don't update when I save the Publisher .pub file, then I am perplexed. Any advice? Many thanks for all your continuing help; it is much appreciated. Thomboy > Thomboy, > [quoted text clipped - 265 lines] > >> >> >> >> and > >> >> >> >> | welcome.html. You have to "Publish to the Web" to produce new html...a new index.htm file and the index_files folder. Saving the Pub file only saves the Pub file...it has nothing to do with publishing the new code. FWIW I usually create a folder on my hard drive where I can direct the output on a consistent basis. Then when I produce new, it overwrites the old each time, just like it does when you upload to the web...and I know where to look when it is time to FTP it up. DavidF > Hi David, thanks for the detailed help regarding how to make those nudge > changes. I do have Mozilla loaded on my PC, so I will use it a my browser [quoted text clipped - 342 lines] >> >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> | welcome.html. Thanks, David, and maybe this is why the Publisher 101 directions discuss publishing your .pub folder to your computer which is like publishing to the web. I need to go back and review that document, and like you suggest, creating a folder on my hard drive will help. A friend was here several nights ago, and I think he was doing this somehow, because the index_files kept changing, and then we did a drag and drop to his FS FTP client and up they went to the website. I am just rusty using FTP Client software, and for that matter, Publisher. I am leaving Monday for New Orleans, but when I get back on April 10th, I will try some of your ideas, and will reread the Publisher site for directions as to how to publish to my computer. Many thanks for the feedback, as I need it. Thomboy > You have to "Publish to the Web" to produce new html...a new index.htm file > and the index_files folder. Saving the Pub file only saves the Pub file...it [quoted text clipped - 277 lines] > >> >> >> >> supporting > >> >> >> >> graphics and additional pages to your site. Reference: Prepare, publish, and maintain your Publisher Web site: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/publisher/HA100947601033.aspx It is written for Pub 2007, but if you are using IE7 instead of IE6, then the directions for using Vista also would apply to Pub 2003. FTP and HTTP uploading has changed with the introduction of IE7 and Vista. The directions for uploading have become a bit muddy, but this is the best MSFT has to offer. That is part of the reason I suggest using a third party ftp client if you aren't using a Publisher built form in the site. Have a good trip... DavidF > Thanks, David, and maybe this is why the Publisher 101 directions discuss > publishing your .pub folder to your computer which is like publishing to [quoted text clipped - 357 lines] >> >> >> >> >> supporting >> >> >> >> >> graphics and additional pages to your site. David, I used to be a business professor at a University in the Seattle area, and I am a pretty good judge of people, and from the brief conversations and the help you have given me, I sense a person of sound character, with a heart capable and willing to help others--a much sought after quality. I will be helping a friend cater a wedding for 800 people at some camp in Opelousas, LA (like Camp David--ha-ha), and when I return, I will look forward to coming back to improve my website for our home owner's association. Where do you call home? Who knows, we may meet someday?? Best, Thomboy P.S. The name Thomboy comes from an old TV show, called the Walton's, where the key actor used the name John Boy. > Reference: Prepare, publish, and maintain your Publisher Web site: > http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/publisher/HA100947601033.aspx [quoted text clipped - 280 lines] > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Do I need to make these changes to Windows Ultimate to use That was nice of you to say...thanks for the feedback. I live in the Pacific NW...good night Thomboy. DavidF > David, I used to be a business professor at a University in the Seattle > area, [quoted text clipped - 336 lines] >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Do I need to make these changes to Windows Ultimate to use Well, well, well, you know the show well enouth to remember that the last thing said on most shows, was "Good night John Boy." You either watched the show in the 70s or you like old shows? I am 66, so if you watched it, then you have to be at least 55. Probably a lousy guess, and it doesn't matter how you are anyway. Just keep up the great work helping we floundering web creators. Best, Thomboy PS Will be back at the watering hole on April 8th. > That was nice of you to say...thanks for the feedback. > [quoted text clipped - 279 lines] > >> >> >> > hit > >> >> >> > another snag. Say; Goodnight Gracie Goodnight Gracie Signature~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rob Giordano Microsoft MVP Expression | Well, well, well, you know the show well enouth to remember that the last | thing said on most shows, was "Good night John Boy." You either watched the [quoted text clipped - 292 lines] | > >> >> >> > hit | > >> >> >> > another snag. George Burns at the microphone? Thomboy > Say; Goodnight Gracie > Goodnight Gracie [quoted text clipped - 268 lines] > It > | > >> >> >> is Yeppers...and in black and white on the boobtoob way back when. Signature~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rob Giordano Microsoft MVP Expression | George Burns at the microphone? | [quoted text clipped - 272 lines] | > It | > | > >> >> >> is I have been gone for four weeks, but am back now ready to get back to work. Say hello, Gracie! That's not my line, George. Thomboy > Yeppers...and in black and white on the boobtoob way back when. > [quoted text clipped - 254 lines] > | > | > >> >> >> formatting > | > | > >> >> >> techniques can be translated to web format. So in this Hi David: I am back from the swamps of the Bayou, and came within 20 feet of a 15 foot alligator while paddling a kayak down this tributary into the main bayou swamp. Then, I get back home and while helping to clear some brush in an overgrown field close to my home, I came within two feet of being bitten by a five foot diamond back rattlesnake. I think I am safer working on my website :-) I have another question...... ------------------- I have mastered FileZilla, at least enough to transfer my saved .pub file to the website in the form of "index_files," but for some reason I cannot upload the home page (index.htm). Not to sound too much like a neophyte, here is what I do: 1. I open "my computer," and and one of the icon folders on the right is "ftp.lcn-hoa.com (my website)" which I open to examine the contents--shown below: _db_backups index_files stats gdform.asp index.htm welcome.html 2. Now, the above contents are shown on the right side of my desktop screen. 3. I then open my .pub file for my Publisher 2007 webpage (on the left side of the screen, under "my computer"), and can see only one item, as shown below: index_files. I know that when one saves his work in the .pub file, all the changes are ready for uploading to the website, using FileZilla. 4. Now, I drag and drop the index_files from the left side of my desktop (under My Compuer) to the right side, and the contents of this updated "index_files" replaces the website "index_files" inside of ftp.lcn-hoa.com (my website). 5. The new index_files replaces ftp.lcn-hoa.com "index_files" on the right side of my desktop, which does happen, because the time and date reflect the changes made to my .pub file. QUESTION: Where is the home page located (index.htm) so I can drag and drop this file onto the right side of my desktop to replace the home page (index.htm) file shown among the six items in #1 above. When I use FileZilla, all the changed items in (index_files) from my .pub file immediately replace the changed website pages to reflect that which I saved when I made the changes to my .pub file. I may NOT be doing the uploading correctly, but my method seems to work OK. All that is left is to find the "index.htm" file among the open files and folders on the left side of my desktop (under "computer") and drag it into the right side of the desktop, and then use filezilla to get the job done. Did I give you too much information?? Thanks for the help, Thomboy > That was nice of you to say...thanks for the feedback. > [quoted text clipped - 279 lines] > >> >> >> > hit > >> >> >> > another snag. Answered in other post... DavidF > Hi David: > [quoted text clipped - 396 lines] >> >> >> >> > hit >> >> >> >> > another snag. Yes, you did answer this question, and here it is. OK, there is a function in the .pub file called "Publish to the Web," but since I use FileZilla to move output from my .pub file to my website (ftp.lcn-hoa.com) folder, why use "publish to the web"? Maybe this is the only way to update the home page, or index.htm? I don't remember seeing any option when I clicked on "Publish to the Web" that says, "save output to hard drive," or did I miss it? I assume I can merely create a new folder (with a name like "Output from Pub to Web") inside my main HOA Website Folder where I now use publisher 2007 to create my .pub folder. Sorry that I seem to be so dense, but when I click on "Publish to the Web" I don't see any option to send the output to any folder on my hard drive??? Also, what does the acronym "FWIW" mean?? Pretty soon you will understand why I took a kayak into a bayou swamp with alligators--just plain dense!! Thomboy > You have to "Publish to the Web" to produce new html...a new index.htm file > and the index_files folder. Saving the Pub file only saves the Pub file...it [quoted text clipped - 277 lines] > >> >> >> >> supporting > >> >> >> >> graphics and additional pages to your site. I'm a Publisher 2000 user and in it, under the File menu is the choice, "Save as a web page". This creates the website files to be saved at the location of choice on your hard drive. I also use FileZilla to transfer files to the server; 'great ftp. For "FWIW" is short scratch for "For what its worth." For this decoding and many more, you are invited to download the code at http://www.vanusa.org/downloads/chat_abbreviations.pdf SignatureDon Vancouver, USA > Yes, you did answer this question, and here it is. > [quoted text clipped - 362 lines] >> >> >> >> >> supporting >> >> >> >> >> graphics and additional pages to your site. Many thanks, Don. The same holds true in Publisher 2007, but I have to admit not knowing its purpose, but now I do. Also, thanks for the abbreviation page. I always wondered what some acronyms meant, and now I will be able to look them up from this two page list. I wonder if when I begin to use them profusely, the recipients will be lost too. Best, Thomboy > I'm a Publisher 2000 user and in it, under the File menu is the choice, > "Save as a web page". This creates the website files to be saved at the [quoted text clipped - 273 lines] > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > 1. MinGW Open your Publisher file, Publish to the Web, and when the Save In dialog comes up look in the left column. Click Desktop if you happened to put the "Output..."folder on the Desktop...click My Documents if the folder is there, otherwise click My Computer and drill down to where the folder is and open that folder, and Save In that folder. DavidF > Yes, you did answer this question, and here it is. > [quoted text clipped - 362 lines] >> >> >> >> >> supporting >> >> >> >> >> graphics and additional pages to your site. Thank you again David for providing the roadmap for me. Hang in there, and thanks for helping all we greenhorns :-) Thomboy > Open your Publisher file, Publish to the Web, and when the Save In dialog > comes up look in the left column. Click Desktop if you happened to put the [quoted text clipped - 279 lines] > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Do I need to make these changes to Windows Ultimate to use |
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