MS Office Forum / Publisher / Web Design / April 2008
web form compatability
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cowpuncher007 - 23 Apr 2008 15:03 GMT My website/store was built by professionals, but I'm having fun doing some "add-on pages" in Pub/03. My links, newsletter, & gallery pages work fine in IE, Firefox & Safari. I'm trying to add a web form as a second page on my newsletter. It displays & functions in IE, displays but is not functional in FF, & won't display at all in Safari. Should I just use another program for this, (& if so suggestions would be appreciated), or am I doing something wrong? Site is meanmaxine.com, & if you want to see the test form, go to "to remove your name, click here" link on the newsletter page.
Rob Giordano (Crash) - 23 Apr 2008 16:09 GMT I think you're asking for problems publishing from Publisher to a website that was designed/created in something else that appears to be a real web editor (which Publisher is not).
Your email address in that form is incorrect. You have to Publish via http:// method for forms to work, and your host has to allow the FP form process to work.
Again, I don't recommend over publishing from Publisher to what I assume you paid for website. Your designer has a backup I hope?
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> My website/store was built by professionals, but I'm having fun doing some > "add-on pages" in Pub/03. My links, newsletter, & gallery pages work fine [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > "to > remove your name, click here" link on the newsletter page. cowpuncher007 - 23 Apr 2008 17:51 GMT I've had no problems with the pages I've added with Publisher, but would you tell me what the problems might be? Yes, we have back-ups .
> I think you're asking for problems publishing from Publisher to a website > that was designed/created in something else that appears to be a real web [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > "to > > remove your name, click here" link on the newsletter page. Rob Giordano (Crash) - 23 Apr 2008 19:14 GMT One thing would be if you want your original web designer to make changes, the Publisher generated "html" is non standard stuff and impossible to work with. If you're just publishing your stuff to a subweb and leaving the original site alone you would be ok as long as you stay within the subweb with yours. Also, be aware that if you publish via FTP it will break the FPSE and your forms will never work.
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> I've had no problems with the pages I've added with Publisher, but would > you [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> > "to >> > remove your name, click here" link on the newsletter page. cowpuncher007 - 23 Apr 2008 21:11 GMT Sorry. I guess I didn't explain things well enough. I don't & wouldn't do anything with the main site. As I said, I'm just having some fun doing some "extra" pages. What about compatibility though? I f I publish my form via http & enable the Frontpage extensions, should it be compatible with the various browsers? If not, what program might you suggest for an amateur?
> One thing would be if you want your original web designer to make changes, > the Publisher generated "html" is non standard stuff and impossible to work [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > >> > "to > >> > remove your name, click here" link on the newsletter page. Rob Giordano (Crash) - 23 Apr 2008 22:43 GMT The forms should work if you publish via http:// method (not ftp) and if the host has the form handler allowed and configured correctly. As mentioned before your email response addr in the form is not correct so it won't work as it is, just in case you have tried. And, if you form and other stuff you are doing are indeed in a subweb (not just a sub folder) the fpse has to be enabled on the subweb as well.
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> Sorry. I guess I didn't explain things well enough. I don't & wouldn't do > anything with the main site. As I said, I'm just having some fun doing [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] >> >> > "to >> >> > remove your name, click here" link on the newsletter page. cowpuncher007 - 23 Apr 2008 23:19 GMT Thanks again. I see what you mean about the email address. I'll work on this some more tonight & see what happens.
> The forms should work if you publish via http:// method (not ftp) and if the > host has the form handler allowed and configured correctly. [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > >> >> > "to > >> >> > remove your name, click here" link on the newsletter page. DavidF - 24 Apr 2008 03:16 GMT I will acknowledge that I am not an expert when it comes to forms or FPSE, but I do have a couple suggestions, if you don't mind.
It sounds like you are saying that you have been using FTP to upload your Publisher web files to your subfolder on your host, and it hasn't hurt the main site. If you want to just continue to use FTP uploading then consider using a simple javascript form instead of the Publisher form. It will be a lot faster and easier than getting your Pub form to work. Here is one example....just copy and paste the following into a code fragment box, change the email address, do a web page preview and try it.
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<FORM action=mailto:yourname@yourdomain.com method="post" enctype="text/plain"> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="4" WIDTH="90%"> <TR> <TD width="30%"><DIV align="right"> <B>Name:</B> </DIV> </TD> <TD width="70%"> <INPUT type="text" name="name" size="20"> </TD> </TR> <TR> <TD><DIV align="right"><B>Email:</B></DIV> </TD> <TD> <INPUT type="text" name="email" size="20"> </TD> </TR> <TR> <TD><DIV align="right"> <B>Comment:</B> </DIV> </TD> <TD><TEXTAREA name="comment" cols="30" wrap="virtual" rows="4"> </TEXTAREA> </TD></TR> <TR> <TD> </TD> <TD> <INPUT type="submit" name="submit" value="Submit"> <INPUT type="reset" name="reset" value="Reset"> </TD></TR> </TABLE> </FORM>
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The form is more basic than the one you are using, but you can put a text box above the form and ask people to tell you what group they are in, in the comments section, if that information is that important. The main point is by using a javascript based form you can avoid the hassle and time involved in using the Pub built form and FPSE, and lessen the risk that you might somehow mess up the main site by trying to use HTTP uploading instead of FTP.
If the form is too basic for you, there are lots of other javascript forms scripts available on the Web...just google for them. Also take the time to go to your webhost and find out what forms program do they support. Mine even gives me instructions and the code that I need to insert via a code fragment box in a Pub page. You can use a different server side program with the Publisher form objects. There are lots of alternatives to FPSE forms, and personally I think most people would be wise to start moving to something different and away from FPSE...for lots of reasons.
In your case, a simple javascript form may be enough...just some things to think about.
DavidF
> Thanks again. I see what you mean about the email address. I'll work on > this [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] >> >> >> > "to >> >> >> > remove your name, click here" link on the newsletter page. DavidF - 24 Apr 2008 00:21 GMT Rob,
I sure am not an expert with working with FPSE, but I upload the majority of my Publisher site with FTP. However, I created one subfolder on my host where I have uploaded a Publisher built form for testing purposes, after enabling FPSE on my host. This page was created with a different Publisher file. Since then I have modified my main site and many subfolders via FTP uploading, and also updated the test folder containing the form using HTTP uploading. You can use both FTP uploading to some subfolders and HTTP uploading to other subfolders without corrupting the FPSE. You just can't switch from HTTP to FTP and then back and expect the FPSE to work correctly, from what I understand. I am not advocating this to anybody...just saying that it can be done.
What is the difference between a subweb and a subfolder?
DavidF
> The forms should work if you publish via http:// method (not ftp) and if > the host has the form handler allowed and configured correctly. [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] >>> >> > "to >>> >> > remove your name, click here" link on the newsletter page. Rob Giordano (Crash) - 24 Apr 2008 04:51 GMT You "can" use both if you know what NOT to touch...so it's just easier to say don't touch that or you'll break it!
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> Rob, > [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] >>>> >> > "to >>>> >> > remove your name, click here" link on the newsletter page. cowpuncher007 - 24 Apr 2008 13:45 GMT Again, thanks everyone for your concern, but rest assured that I am not messing around anywhere near my "main" site As, at least, David F knows, (he has helped me a lot in the past), I'm working on this as much for my own experience as I am for any project that has to get done. I'm going to start from scratch. Instead of trying to add a second page to my newsletter, I'm going to make a seperate folder of forms, try uploading via http (again), & just point my link there. It seems that, to this point, no matter how I upload, the "submit" button, instead of going to my email, which is on the same domain as the form, still says WEBBOT-SELF. I'll read some more.
> You "can" use both if you know what NOT to touch...so it's just easier to > say don't touch that or you'll break it! [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] > >>>> >> > "to > >>>> >> > remove your name, click here" link on the newsletter page. Rob Giordano (Crash) - 24 Apr 2008 15:24 GMT both fields are named Text_1 , the input fields should have unique legal names.
there's more but I gotta run...get rid of the 3 radio buttons for now and try again.
 Signature ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rob Giordano Microsoft MVP Expression
> Again, thanks everyone for your concern, but rest assured that I am not > messing around anywhere near my "main" site As, at least, David F knows, [quoted text clipped - 123 lines] >> >>>> >> > "to >> >>>> >> > remove your name, click here" link on the newsletter page. cowpuncher007 - 24 Apr 2008 15:41 GMT Thanks, I'll do those things & get back.
> both fields are named Text_1 , the input fields should have unique legal > names. [quoted text clipped - 129 lines] > >> >>>> >> > "to > >> >>>> >> > remove your name, click here" link on the newsletter page. cowpuncher007 - 26 Apr 2008 00:59 GMT I took out the option buttons as suggested & put my form (using http) on the server. It functions perfectly in IE, but not in FF or Safari. The form shows, & the submit button works, (it goes to the confirmation page & sends me an email), but the text boxes aren't usable. Can this be fixed?
The address is meanmaxine.com/newsletter/forms/form_1.htm
> Thanks, I'll do those things & get back. > [quoted text clipped - 131 lines] > > >> >>>> >> > "to > > >> >>>> >> > remove your name, click here" link on the newsletter page. Rob Giordano (Crash) - 26 Apr 2008 01:15 GMT Yah I see that. It's such a simple form, I'd just redo it...you're more than halfway there.
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> I took out the option buttons as suggested & put my form (using http) on > the [quoted text clipped - 177 lines] >> > >> >>>> >> > "to >> > >> >>>> >> > remove your name, click here" link on the newsletter page. cowpuncher007 - 26 Apr 2008 11:56 GMT It was great to get it to work, at least in IE. I'm still unclear about the cross-browser compatibility, but I'll start over & see how it goes. Also, where do I edit the confirmation page? I can't seem to find it.
> Yah I see that. > It's such a simple form, I'd just redo it...you're more than halfway there. [quoted text clipped - 180 lines] > >> > >> >>>> >> > "to > >> > >> >>>> >> > remove your name, click here" link on the newsletter page. DavidF - 26 Apr 2008 13:59 GMT The current form is converted to an image in the FF version of the code, and that is why you can't enter anything in the text fields. I am not sure what you did design wise to do that. If you are using Pub 2003, then be sure to go to Tools > Options > Web tab and uncheck "Rely on VML..." and "Allow PNG..." before you produce your html files. If you inserted the form controls in a text box and added fill, try not adding the fill. Try inserting the form controls into the page, and not into a text box. Basically deconstruct the page/form, or in rebuilding it, test in FF after each design step and find out where the form is converted to an image, and you will probably find the problem with the form not working correctly.
DavidF
> It was great to get it to work, at least in IE. I'm still unclear about > the [quoted text clipped - 221 lines] >> >> > >> >>>> >> > remove your name, click here" link on the newsletter >> >> > >> >>>> >> > page. Rob Giordano (Crash) - 26 Apr 2008 01:09 GMT folder is just a folder subweb is an entity unto itself (a child web)
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> Rob, > [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] >>>> >> > "to >>>> >> > remove your name, click here" link on the newsletter page. DavidF - 26 Apr 2008 14:09 GMT Ok. I am just trying to get and use the correct terminology. Thanks.
DavidF
> folder is just a folder > subweb is an entity unto itself (a child web) [quoted text clipped - 95 lines] >>>>> >> > "to >>>>> >> > remove your name, click here" link on the newsletter page. Rob Giordano (Crash) - 26 Apr 2008 14:36 GMT oh and subwebs are just a microsoft thing and not the same as a subdomain.
 Signature ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rob Giordano Microsoft MVP Expression
> Ok. I am just trying to get and use the correct terminology. Thanks. > [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] >>>>>> >> > "to >>>>>> >> > remove your name, click here" link on the newsletter page. DavidF - 26 Apr 2008 14:44 GMT I understand the difference in a subdomain. I would now describe my web directory that is built with multiple Pub files as each subfolder contains a subweb or child web. Thanks again.
DavidF
> oh and subwebs are just a microsoft thing and not the same as a subdomain. > [quoted text clipped - 102 lines] >>>>>>> >> > "to >>>>>>> >> > remove your name, click here" link on the newsletter page. cowpuncher007 - 28 Apr 2008 01:15 GMT As always, thanks to everyone for their help. After reading, endlessly, about the cross-browser problems with Publisher-created pages, I decided to move my forms project to Frontpage. I created a simple form & confirmation page, & it works fine in IE, FF & Safari. Actually, in Safari, the form page shows all of the recent names & emails of other form users, but it still works. I'll be posting in the FP group about this little problem.
I'm still going to use Pub for my newsletter, links & gallery pages, because they all display just fine, & frankly, it's just too darn easy. When you come to doing this from Photoshop, Pub is the easiest. It's the ultimate WYSIWYG. Being able to just put stuff anywhere you want.
> I understand the difference in a subdomain. I would now describe my web > directory that is built with multiple Pub files as each subfolder contains a [quoted text clipped - 108 lines] > >>>>>>> >> > "to > >>>>>>> >> > remove your name, click here" link on the newsletter page. cowpuncher007 - 28 Apr 2008 01:31 GMT Scratch that last little bit of brain-freeze that I wrote. About the time I hit "post" I realized why the names & emails were showing . What can I say? Today was my first day using FP.
> As always, thanks to everyone for their help. After reading, endlessly, about > the cross-browser problems with Publisher-created pages, I decided to move my [quoted text clipped - 120 lines] > > >>>>>>> >> > "to > > >>>>>>> >> > remove your name, click here" link on the newsletter page.
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