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Bones - 28 Mar 2004 20:46 GMT

http://www.kansascaregivers.org/members.htm
All the links on this page used to work with IExplorer, Netscape 7.01 and Mozilla 1.5/7. Up until Friday, now only IExplorer works correctly
Using Publisher 2003, converting "print" file to "web" then saving and publishing.
I've tried everything I can think of. Been told that there's no "DOCTYPE" specified. Seems there used to be though
I did a search on "DOCTYPE" and did the Fix "DOCTYPE Subset Omitted in Cloned XML DOM" 263586. Now Publisher doesn't save any of the graphic files but the page still displays correctly in IExplore
AAAUUUGGGHHH!!
Please, What have I done and how can I correct it
Thanks in advance

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David Bartosik - MS MVP - 29 Mar 2004 05:24 GMT

Pub is designed to support IE and may not work with other browsers.
If you had a successful page in other browsers then you'd have to look at
what you where doing previously.
Have you been using the same version all this time?
Pub does not write a doctype tag but that is a validation thing and is not
required by the browser.
What do you mean it does not save graphics? Who'd have to detail what you
believe you are experiencing.

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> http://www.kansascaregivers.org/members.html
> All the links on this page used to work with IExplorer, Netscape 7.01 and Mozilla 1.5/7. Up until Friday, now only IExplorer works correctly.
> Using Publisher 2003, converting "print" file to "web" then saving and publishing.
> I've tried everything I can think of. Been told that there's no "DOCTYPE" specified. Seems there used to be though.
> I did a search on "DOCTYPE" and did the Fix "DOCTYPE Subset Omitted in Cloned XML DOM" 263586. Now Publisher doesn't save any of the graphic files

but the page still displays correctly in IExplorer

> AAAUUUGGGHHH!!!
> Please, What have I done and how can I correct it?
> Thanks in advance

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Bones - 29 Mar 2004 06:36 GMT

Up until late Friday early Saturday am the referenced page's eMail and site links worked in IExplorer, Netscape 7.01 and Mozilla 1.5. I made an update to the site using the same Publisher 2003 I've always used on the site and now the email and site links only work in IExplorer.

I'm about as exasperated as can be. Doing EXACTLY the same thing now as I was before. I use an original layout of the site created in Publisher, modify it in "print" mode, convert to "web" then saving

The "doctype" comment came from the Mozilla newsgroups - you can discount that (as you already have). I reinstalled (repaired actually) my Publisher after installing the "DOCTYPE Subset Omitted in Cloned XML DOM" 263586 fix and now Publisher is saving as it should index.htm and index_files. It wasn't saving the files directory seperately so Mozilla was only displaying text.

Still absolutely none of the "text box" links work in either Netscape or Mozilla..........

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David Bartosik - MS MVP - 29 Mar 2004 15:35 GMT

> Up until late Friday early Saturday am the referenced page's eMail and site links worked in IExplorer, Netscape 7.01 and Mozilla 1.5. I made an

update to the site using the same Publisher 2003 I've always used on the
site and now the email and site links only work in IExplorer.

what did you change?

> I'm about as exasperated as can be. Doing EXACTLY the same thing now as I was before. I use an original layout of the site created in Publisher,

modify it in "print" mode, convert to "web" then saving.

huh? you modify it in print? are you saying you convert back and forth? why?
if so I recommend against that practice.
It is my recommendation that web sites be created as a web publication
rather then be from a converted print publication. But if that is not
possible then the web publication needs to remain a web publication, and if
there is still a print publication entity the two should be keep separate.
Design and layout is very different for these two types of publications so
modifications and development are best done seperately.

> The "doctype" comment came from the Mozilla newsgroups - you can discount that (as you already have). I reinstalled (repaired actually) my Publisher

after installing the "DOCTYPE Subset Omitted in Cloned XML DOM" 263586 fix
and now Publisher is saving as it should index.htm and index_files. It
wasn't saving the files directory seperately so Mozilla was only displaying
text.

> Still absolutely none of the "text box" links work in either Netscape or Mozilla...........

when I look at the page I find that all visible links are functional. I say
visible in that a few links are underlined and thus are clearly known to be
hyperlinks. You have a lot of additional text on the page but I don't know
if any of it is supposed to be links, none of it is underlined. Or for that
matter has any clear indication of being a link.

oddly when I look at your page code I see a ton of stuff that looks unuseful
and that I've never seen in a page before, I don't know why it's there or
how. I can only assume at this point that perhaps it's getting created if
you are doing back and forth conversions or perhaps it's something that
carried over if you possibly developed this originally in version 2002.

the only thing further I could do is to take a look at your pub file and
review what you've got going on. if you want me to look at it then you'd
need to inform me as to what are links and what are not. just email the file
and details.

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DavidF - 29 Mar 2004 16:21 GMT

In addition to what David said, I looked at your site with both IE and
Mozilla and noted one significant difference. The columns of text are
converted to an image in Mozilla, which is probably why those links no
longer work. You can see the same thing by right clicking and having the
option to save the image. Perhaps, this is a design issue, as the verticle
image 'stripes' that you have placed behind the text cause an 'overlap
objects' situation, which converts those objects to an image...you might
have to redesign, and remove those vertical 'stripes'.

Also, though I am sure you are doing it, have you deleted all your html
files both on your hard drive and your website before generating and
uploading new html files?

DavidF

> > Up until late Friday early Saturday am the referenced page's eMail and
> site links worked in IExplorer, Netscape 7.01 and Mozilla 1.5. I made an
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> enter to win Pub 2003:
> www.davidbartosik.com/giveaway.aspx

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Bones - 29 Mar 2004 16:56 GMT

1) I added a couple of links. The KABC and Office of Aging and LTC. Nothing else.
2)Yes, If you check Publisher help files they say to NOT change an HTML file. Make all changes in the Publisher "print" file then convert to "web" file.
3) Did you find the links "functional" by appearance or trying them? If so which browser(s).
AARP ekutzley@aarp.org is a mail link, www.aarp.org/...... is a hyperlink
Kansas Advocates...Care info@kabc.org is a mail link, www.kabc.org is a hyperlink
Office of Aging....Care, www.oaltc.ku.edu is a hyperlink
ALL work in IExplorer. All USED to work in Netscape 7.01/7.1 and Mozilla 1.5. They show as links in N/M but don't function.
Back to Main works in everything cause it's not in a text box.
4) Publisher does put a ton of stuff into HTML files. It always has.
5) These two pages have always been prepared on Publisher 2003. The original .PUB file was created on 2000 but it hasn't been involved since it's creation. And I feel I should reiterate this. "These pages worked fine up until late Friday/early Saturday." Until I made the last set of changes.
I've someting wrong with my Publisher (or settings).
Are you aware of any updates issued Friday or Saturday? When I was moving files between my machines here I noted this, XP, machine's time zone was reset to EST and I didn't do it.......... Maybe a Microsoft update did something.
Thanks for the help.
John

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David Bartosik - MS MVP - 30 Mar 2004 00:04 GMT

> 1) I added a couple of links. The KABC and Office of Aging and LTC. Nothing else.
> 2)Yes, If you check Publisher help files they say to NOT change an HTML file. Make all changes in the Publisher "print" file then convert to "web"

file.

> 3) Did you find the links "functional" by appearance or trying them? If so which browser(s).
> AARP ekutzley@aarp.org is a mail link, www.aarp.org/...... is a hyperlink
> Kansas Advocates...Care info@kabc.org is a mail link, www.kabc.org is a hyperlink
> Office of Aging....Care, www.oaltc.ku.edu is a hyperlink
> ALL work in IExplorer. All USED to work in Netscape 7.01/7.1 and Mozilla 1.5. They show as links in N/M but don't function.

those links appear to me in IE as links and are functional. I don't have the
other browsers. I wanted you to clarify that only underlined text was
hyperlinked.

> Back to Main works in everything cause it's not in a text box.
> 4) Publisher does put a ton of stuff into HTML files. It always has.
> 5) These two pages have always been prepared on Publisher 2003. The original .PUB file was created on 2000 but it hasn't been involved since

it's creation. And I feel I should reiterate this. "These pages worked fine
up until late Friday/early Saturday." Until I made the last set of changes.

then back out the changes and test again. it only takes one minor change to
impact how Publisher (any version) codes the page, something I covered in
http://www.davidbartosik.com/pub2k/pub2k_4.htm - an article that might help
you.
then add in one new change at a time and test between each one until you
find the change that has the undesired impact. once you know that then you
can look into how to do it differently. one thing that might make a big
difference (covered in my article) is if you are creating a single text box
for each link. Instead you should list them down in one text box.

> I've someting wrong with my Publisher (or settings).
> Are you aware of any updates issued Friday or Saturday? When I was moving files between my machines here I noted this, XP, machine's time zone was

reset to EST and I didn't do it.......... Maybe a Microsoft update did
something.

no. no. no. no and no.
not even close.

your modifications impacted Publisher coding, find the change that did it.

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Bones - 30 Mar 2004 06:21 GMT

Thanks for the help
Caught the problem
Needs text box on text box. First text box gets saved as .GIF, second text box carries the links from the HTML file
Geezzzzzzz what fun that was
Got 'em all working this evening. Need to redo to get spacing improved but that's simple now

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