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MS Office Forum / Publisher / Web Design / June 2004Publisher Website Problems
I would like to hear from folks using Publisher for their websites, especially commercial websites who are dissatisfied. I am in contact with a law firm pursuing a class action lawsuit over misrepresentations concerning the use of Publisher for generating html. Thanks Syd H. Levine analog@logwell.com What is the basis of your complaint? Lack of imagination?  SignatureDon -------- Vancouver, USA - One of the great cities in one of the 45+ countries in the Americas! > I would like to hear from folks using Publisher for their websites, > especially commercial websites who are dissatisfied. I am in contact [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Syd H. Levine > analog@logwell.com Yeah, that's it. Actually, I have coaxed Publisher into doing lots of stuff. But in the end, it is fundamentally unfit for a purpose it is advertised to handle. The newer versions produce html that is so bloated as to be impractical in the real world for anything but a very small website. Worse yet is persistent representations that it can do web sites well. Publisher 2002 even included a claim that html is now a "native language", an outright lie. It cannot even handle the html generated by its predecessor program. Nor can it truly handle the .pub files produced in Publisher 2000. The above is just the tip of the iceberg with respect to problems with Publisher as a web design program. I fuly expect to be flamed in a group of Publisher webpage users (of which I am one), but in tuth the best advice to anyone trying to use Publisher as a website tool is GET OUT NOW before it winds up costing you a tremendous amount of time when you finally have to graduate to another program! >What is the basis of your complaint? Lack of imagination? I'm ready to get out! I'll go to MS Frontpage, (unless someone can give me advice on a "better" program) and use publisher for desktop publishing, regretfully I don't have any money now and so I'm stuck. To bad the only person that can save us is David Bartosik, (how do you get any work done saving the world from Publisher's maddness?) Dave, Publisher is incredibly easy to use but but is unforgiving to those of us that have to earn a living instead of trying to solve all the problems that MS codes into their programs, so "lack of imagination" isn't always the issue. Some compasion for us lesser beings, please. > I'm ready to get out! I'll go to MS Frontpage, (unless someone can > give me advice on a "better" program) and use publisher for desktop [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > imagination" isn't always the issue. Some compasion for us lesser > beings, please. I recommend you run (not walk) to FrontPage for your web design. Publisher is perfectly capable of producing fine websites (1-3 page little sites), but learn FrontPage so you have room to grow. SignatureBrian Kvalheim Microsoft Publisher MVP http://www.publishermvps.com This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. Show me where M$ admits that anywhere. The retail box still suggests that Publisher will do it all for a small business. Publisher is not fit for even a small website, if your standard of fitness is the generation of even reasonably standard html. >I recommend you run (not walk) to FrontPage for your web design. Publisher >is perfectly capable of producing fine websites (1-3 page little sites), but >learn FrontPage so you have room to grow. > Show me where M$ admits that anywhere. The retail box still suggests > that Publisher will do it all for a small business. Publisher is not [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> Publisher is perfectly capable of producing fine websites (1-3 page >> little sites), but learn FrontPage so you have room to grow. MS sells FrontPage along side Publisher in their Office Suite :-). And, yes, Publisher can (has..and continues to do so) "do it all" for a small business. SignatureBrian Kvalheim Microsoft Publisher MVP http://www.publishermvps.com This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. That is a bald faced lie. A small business relying on Publisher to do it all will soon wind up wasting countless hours fixing the problems created. That is the essence of my gripe. Do you imagine a small business will have a one or two page website? Check the IRS definition of small business before you come back with some silly retort. >> Show me where M$ admits that anywhere. The retail box still suggests >> that Publisher will do it all for a small business. Publisher is not [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Publisher can (has..and continues to do so) "do it all" for a small >business. > That is a bald faced lie. You are entitled to your opinion. SignatureBrian Kvalheim Microsoft Publisher MVP http://www.publishermvps.com This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. Actually the expression is BOLD-faced lie, not BALD-faced lie. SignatureJoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] > > That is a bald faced lie. > > You are entitled to your opinion. Bald faced lie is actually correct (usage dating back to circa 1650), but more recently "bold-faced lie" or even "boldface lie" has become acceptable usage, but is technically incorrect. What it means is that an undisguised liar (no beard or mask) is the worst kind. You are not nearly a learned as you think you are... >Actually the expression is BOLD-faced lie, not BALD-faced lie. I wouyldnt say it "does it all". it doesnt even have built in frames, and many other things that are uselful and visually appealing to websites. so then soemone says to code it in .. well I thought you could do it all on a WYSWYG program? some it can do.. "ALL" def not! I hate frames. By "does it all", I only mean that I expected to be able to do a reasonable website. Problem is, subsequent versions of Publisher cannot do even that. Users are effectively orphaned in Publisher 2000. That may be passable for the moment, but experience shows that M$ will eventually abandon it. The present service pack is likely the last, and there are unresolved bugs past service packs introduced, among other problems. >I wouyldnt say it "does it all". it doesnt even have built in frames, and many other things that are uselful and visually appealing to websites. so then soemone says to code it in .. well I thought you could do it all on a WYSWYG program? some it can do.. "ALL" def not! One of the other things that I personally found anoying was the lack of support for ASP pages in the software, you can only use html. Sorry Syd, I reckon you are going to lose your dollars. I have used Pub since 95 for web pages very well including on line catalogues and numerous sites that work great including enquiry pages, order pages etc. There sure is a juggle & a learning curve from version to version however overall, I can produce a commercial site with several or a hundred pages with ease. What type or design of site do you want to do? > I would like to hear from folks using Publisher for their websites, > especially commercial websites who are dissatisfied. I am in contact [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Syd H. Levine > analog@logwell.com Interesting. Have yopu moved any of these several hundred page sites into Publisher 2003? If what I read in here is correct, such a site would comprise HUGE html code. I would be more than happy to move my site into Publisher 2003. Despite its shortcomings as an html generator, Publisher is certainly usable for that purpose (except for the bloated code issue afteer Pub 2K). My primary concern is being stranded in Publisher 2000. The idea of moving to another program only arises due to the problems with later versiobns of Publisher. If you have solved that problem PLEASE expain how. Rhe site at issue is www.logwell.com if you want to look at it. >Sorry Syd, I reckon you are going to lose your dollars. I have used Pub >since 95 for web pages very well including on line catalogues and numerous [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> Syd H. Levine >> analog@logwell.com I am planning to move on to more dedicated software like Frontpage or Dreamweaver, it's just that it would be nice for Publisher to be more understanding to busy people. It would be nice if *Life* was more understanding to busy people. SignatureJoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] > I am planning to move on to more dedicated software like Frontpage or Dreamweaver, it's just that it would be nice for Publisher to be more understanding to busy people. Indeed. But it would also be nice if M$ was a bit more understanding also. >It would be nice if *Life* was more understanding to busy people. You know, Syd, by now we ALL know how much you despise Microsoft so why stick around? I'm not being sarcastic - I'm asking an honest question. There have been newsgroups that I've enjoyed but when they came a point where I found myself disagreeing with the posts, I left. My life is too short to inflict such aggravation on myself. Nor do I expect a company to bend to make me happy - the only person who can do that is me. And I think I'm doing a decent enough job on that. SignatureJoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] > Indeed. But it would also be nice if M$ was a bit more understanding > also. > > >It would be nice if *Life* was more understanding to busy people. Do you want to run me off? I find this newsgroup interesting. I especially find it interesting how silly you MVPs act just because you have had a title bestowed upon you. You all sound like a troup of drones bestowing praise on M$. M$ has in fact produced some very bad software, and if you do not know that, you are a fool. But M$ (and many other software vendors) dodge all accountability for their mistakes. When I pay money for a product, you bet your a.s I expect a company to bend to make customers happy. This is a lesson you, and your benefactor, do not seem to understand. >You know, Syd, by now we ALL know how much you despise Microsoft so why >stick around? I'm not being sarcastic - I'm asking an honest question. There [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >make me happy - the only person who can do that is me. And I think I'm doing >a decent enough job on that. I do enjoy how you seem to think that all MVP's are little MS cheerleaders. Believe me, we aren't. I have issues with Microsoft just like you do but if I have something that I seriously believe needs to be bright to Microsoft's attention, I take it to the company, not a newsgroup staffed by non-employees. As for producing some bad software - what company hasn't? No one ever said that everything they do is perfect. As for expecting a company to kiss my a.s, sorry - I'm a realist. It ain't gonna happen so why even expect it to? SignatureJoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] > Do you want to run me off? I find this newsgroup interesting. I > especially find it interesting how silly you MVPs act just because you [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >make me happy - the only person who can do that is me. And I think I'm doing > >a decent enough job on that. |
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