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analog@logwell.com - 30 May 2004 19:59 GMT
Does anyone have first hand experience with importing Publisher
generated html into Dreamweaver?  Can Dreamweaver deal with it any
better than FrontPage does?

Thanks in advance.

Syd H. Levine
analog@logwell.com
David Bartosik - MS MVP - 30 May 2004 20:09 GMT
I'd recommend visiting Macromedia's forums and posting this there, as it
seems to me that anyone that made such a move would no longer hang around
here.

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> Does anyone have first hand experience with importing Publisher
> generated html into Dreamweaver?  Can Dreamweaver deal with it any
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> Syd H. Levine
> analog@logwell.com
analog@logwell.com - 30 May 2004 20:55 GMT
Thanks, I did that.  But if it cannot be done, they might still be
hanging around here out of desparation, like I am.

>I'd recommend visiting Macromedia's forums and posting this there, as it
>seems to me that anyone that made such a move would no longer hang around
>here.
Cheryl Wise - 31 May 2004 06:57 GMT
HTML is HTML and Dreamweaver is not likely to do any better with Publisher
HTML than FrontPage is. It has a clean up Word Wizard but it is designed to
deal with mso:normal type code.

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> Thanks, I did that.  But if it cannot be done, they might still be
> hanging around here out of desparation, like I am.
>
> >I'd recommend visiting Macromedia's forums and posting this there, as it
> >seems to me that anyone that made such a move would no longer hang around
> >here.
analog@logwell.com - 31 May 2004 18:36 GMT
Actually, that is apparently not true.  I asked this same question in
the Dreamweaver forum, and a couple of people actually took the
www.logwell.com home page and ran it through Dreamweaver.  It worked
much better than FrontPage 2002 did (I never tried FrontPage 2003).  

The real question is why does Publisher create such oddball html?  I
have said it before, and Ii will say it again, M$ should not represent
Publisher to be an all-in-one tool.  Do I wish I never started using
it for a website?  Hell yes, but I did so based on representations
made by M$ of fitness.  By the time I realized I  had dug a hole, it
was quite deep.  

>HTML is HTML and Dreamweaver is not likely to do any better with Publisher
>HTML than FrontPage is. It has a clean up Word Wizard but it is designed to
>deal with mso:normal type code.
Cheryl Wise - 31 May 2004 21:44 GMT
I moderate one of the larger Macromedia mail lists around with over 2500
members. Running it through the FP 2003 optimizer can do a better job.

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> Actually, that is apparently not true.  I asked this same question in
> the Dreamweaver forum, and a couple of people actually took the
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> >HTML than FrontPage is. It has a clean up Word Wizard but it is designed to
> >deal with mso:normal type code.
Brian Kvalheim - [MS MVP] - 01 Jun 2004 00:59 GMT
> Actually, that is apparently not true.  I asked this same question in
> the Dreamweaver forum, and a couple of people actually took the
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>> Publisher HTML than FrontPage is. It has a clean up Word Wizard but
>> it is designed to deal with mso:normal type code.

In addition to Cheryls reply, I too have Dreamweaver and FrontPage, and I
tested the optimization of HTML in both, and FrontPage had done a better
job.
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analog@logwell.com - 01 Jun 2004 02:57 GMT
I previously tried to move the site into FrontPage 2002, and it was a
mess.  It could not deal with the nested table html that Publisher
2000 generates.  Can FrontPage 2003 do a better job?

>In addition to Cheryls reply, I too have Dreamweaver and FrontPage, and I
>tested the optimization of HTML in both, and FrontPage had done a better
>job.
Cheryl Wise - 01 Jun 2004 04:28 GMT
Yes, FrontPage 2003 is vastly improved over earlier versions. FrontPage 2002
was a relatively minor upgrade to FP 2000 which was a significant upgrade
over FrontPage 98.

The new Optimize HTML setting removes more than just Office mark-up. Course
nothing will optimize as well as a person with a very good understanding of
HTML and CSS but the new version does a better job than the competitors I've
tried.

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> I previously tried to move the site into FrontPage 2002, and it was a
> mess.  It could not deal with the nested table html that Publisher
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> >tested the optimization of HTML in both, and FrontPage had done a better
> >job.
analog@logwell.com - 01 Jun 2004 06:22 GMT
Finally some useful information!  Thank you very much.

>Yes, FrontPage 2003 is vastly improved over earlier versions. FrontPage 2002
>was a relatively minor upgrade to FP 2000 which was a significant upgrade
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>HTML and CSS but the new version does a better job than the competitors I've
>tried.
Cheryl Wise - 01 Jun 2004 21:15 GMT
If you look at my site in my signature you will see what is new/improved in
FrontPage 2003. There is also a comparison between FrontPage 2003,
Dreamweaver MX 2004 and GoLive 6. (I don't have a copy of GoLive CS for a
comparison and I from what I've read they have removed most if not all of
the scripting components of GoLive in the newer CS release).

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> Finally some useful information!  Thank you very much.
>
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> >HTML and CSS but the new version does a better job than the competitors I've
> >tried.
 
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