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tech27 - 16 Jun 2004 16:36 GMT I'm having trouble trying to insert a Word document onto a page.
I would like to have the document (a testimonial letter), appear exactly at the doc. The problem is that I can't seem to have it lay out the same (it gets changed as if it was squeezed into a column), nor can I change the font colour to contrast with my black background. It would be okay if I could leave the web page as it is, and have the document be black text on white.
Thanks.
David Bartosik - MS MVP - 16 Jun 2004 17:16 GMT Either upload the doc file and link to it or copy the text from the doc file and paste it in a text box on Pub page and then format.
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> I'm having trouble trying to insert a Word document onto a page. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Thanks. analog@logwell.com - 16 Jun 2004 20:12 GMT It is just asking too much to be able to paste a Word doc into Publisher and have it come out looking right. You just want too much from M$...
>Either upload the doc file and link to it or copy the text from the doc file >and paste it in a text box on Pub page and then format. Brian Kvalheim - [MSFT MVP] - 17 Jun 2004 15:05 GMT Hi analog@logwell.com (analog@logwell.com), in the newsgroups you posted:
|| It is just asking too much to be able to paste a Word doc into || Publisher and have it come out looking right. You just want too || much from M$... Name one program that CAN do this from ANY company. Thanks.
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analog@logwell.com - 17 Jun 2004 20:10 GMT I am no expert, but it seems curious to me that Acrobat, and its cheaper clones, can take such a wide variety of work product file types, and produce a half decent pdf file. So why can't a program like Publisher process a word doc that is pasted in it and make it come out looking right? Your gawd M$ ought to be as smart as the folks at Adobe, no? I am only suggesting that Publisher ought to be able to take any document created in the Office suite and be smart enuff to make it look right in Publisher. But then Publisher can't even deal with work product files from previous versions of Publisher, can it?
>Hi analog@logwell.com (analog@logwell.com), >in the newsgroups [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Name one program that CAN do this from ANY company. Thanks. Brian Kvalheim - [MSFT MVP] - 17 Jun 2004 20:38 GMT Hi analog@logwell.com (analog@logwell.com), in the newsgroups you posted:
|| I am no expert, but it seems curious to me that Acrobat, and its || cheaper clones, can take such a wide variety of work product file || types, and produce a half decent pdf file. What does that have to do with copy and pasting from Publisher to Word? or Word to Publisher? NADA
|| So why can't a program || like Publisher process a word doc that is pasted in it and make it || come out looking right? Why can't Adobe? And while you are answering as to why Adobe can't do this either with other Adobe products, answer me this batman, why is it that you talk about Cut and Paste from one product of Office into another product within Office and then compare that do Acrobat exporting PDF?
If you want a consistent export from all MS Office applications like Adobe is to PDF, use the MODI in Office.
|| Your gawd MS ought to be as smart as the || folks at Adobe, no? Yup!
|| I am only suggesting that Publisher ought to be || able to take any document created in the Office suite and be smart || enuff to make it look right in Publisher. I would like to be able to do that in Adobe as well. But it just doesn't happen with them either.
|| But then Publisher can't || even deal with work product files from previous versions of || Publisher, can it? Do you even comprehend what you are posting? Of course Publisher can deal with publications from previous versions of Publisher.
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analog@logwell.com - 17 Jun 2004 22:36 GMT >|| But then Publisher can't >|| even deal with work product files from previous versions of >|| Publisher, can it? > >Do you even comprehend what you are posting? Of course Publisher can deal >with publications from previous versions of Publisher. Do you have a brain at all? Just watch the posts in here if you believe that is true. Publisher 2002 could not handle the work product files I use in 2000. The case was escalated, and M$'s best never solved the problem. They sent me a refund check for the purchase price of Publisher 2002, a second copy of the program gratis (figure that one out), a free copy of Front Page 2002, and a stack of free M$ publications for my trouble.
Brian Kvalheim - [MSFT MVP] - 18 Jun 2004 00:10 GMT <shakes head in disbelief>
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> >|| But then Publisher can't > >|| even deal with work product files from previous versions of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > program gratis (figure that one out), a free copy of Front Page 2002, and a > stack of free M$ publications for my trouble. analog@logwell.com - 18 Jun 2004 00:25 GMT What part don't you believe, jackass?
><shakes head in disbelief analog@logwell.com - 18 Jun 2004 00:24 GMT Responses embedded:
>Hi analog@logwell.com (analog@logwell.com), >in the newsgroups [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >What does that have to do with copy and pasting from Publisher to Word? or >Word to Publisher? NADA *Actually we are talking about Word to Publisher. To my lay brain, it seems to have allot to do with it. It is technically possible that Publisher could deal with Word documents.
>|| So why can't a program >|| like Publisher process a word doc that is pasted in it and make it [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >talk about Cut and Paste from one product of Office into another product >within Office and then compare that do Acrobat exporting PDF? *Because, moron, if Acrobat can process a Word doc into a decently renderable pdf file, then it should have been trivial for Publisher to grab a Word doc and make it look decent in Publisher. Should I talk slower, Robin?
>If you want a consistent export from all MS Office applications like Adobe >is to PDF, use the MODI in Office. *WTF is MODI?
>|| Your gawd MS ought to be as smart as the >|| folks at Adobe, no? > >Yup! *Sorry, but they are not.
>|| I am only suggesting that Publisher ought to be >|| able to take any document created in the Office suite and be smart >|| enuff to make it look right in Publisher. > >I would like to be able to do that in Adobe as well. But it just doesn't >happen with them either. *But M$ is sooo much smarter than Adobe... Acrobat works just fine with Word docs, and from what I have seen in here, with Publisher as well.
Brian Kvalheim - [MSFT MVP] - 18 Jun 2004 01:42 GMT > *Actually we are talking about Word to Publisher. To my lay brain, it seems to > have allot to do with it. It is technically possible that Publisher could deal > with Word documents. You need to take a deep breath. Relax. Now breathe out.
1. Analog states that the Copy/Paste from Microsoft Word...word processor... (which isn't an object based program, doesn't use text boxes by default, doesn't support color printing for commercial support, doesn't offer the layout/snap to features), to Microsoft Publisher...a Desktop Publishing program... is horrible and should be 100% clean of formatting flaws when carried over because they are from the same software manufacturer. Sounds like a good wish, but you are correct, this is not feasible (at least not with their current technology).
2. So if we were to compare Apples to Apples, lets just use Corel for this analogy. We have Corel WordPerfect 12...word processor. And then we have (your choice of the two) Corel Ventura...Desktop Publishing program. If you were to Copy/Paste from Corel WordPerfect 12 into Corel Ventura 10, you have formatting loss as you would with Word and Publisher. Corel makes both programs, and they are NOT compatible in the way you mention. And let me repeat the quote from Analog "It is just asking too much to be able to paste a Word doc into Publisher and have it come out looking right. You just want too much from M$..." So in this scenario, it appears that you want too much from Corel as well.
3. And Oranges to Oranges now. Adobe PageMaker (we will pretend this is a word processor) and Adobe InDesign...Desktop Publishing program. Yup, you guessed it...same thing. Format loss. Same company.
> *Because, moron Have you thought about carrying out a mature reply while addressing my questions?
> if Acrobat can process a Word doc into a decently renderable > pdf file, then it should have been trivial for Publisher to grab a Word doc and > make it look decent in Publisher. Should I talk slower, Robin? Do you know what Acrobat is???! It's is a program DESIGNED for the EXCHANGE of EXISTING publications, documents, spreadsheets etc throughout businesses and corporations to share. Now r e m e m b e r , I said EXISTING publications. Acrobat is a big ol engine for conversion to a standard format (PDF) which can be printed by a commercial printer, or viewed in Adobe Reader for general business use. Acrobat CANNOT be used to convert say, and Adobe Illustrator file to be read in Adobe Pagemaker.
So NOW what you are saying (I wish you would quit changing the subject) is that you want Publisher AND Word to have a built in engine so that Word can Convert to Publisher without formatting loss. But EVEN Adobe can't do this. Adobe needs a PDF READER to read it's exported files. So now, if you want Microsoft to have a common exportable and readable file that doesn't have any formatting loss, and then be able to open it up in a similar program such as Adobe Reader, Microsoft ALREADY does this. It's called MODI - Microsoft Office Document Imaging. How do they relate?
1. Adobe Acrobat - Adobe PDF printer driver = Microsoft Office Document Image Writer printer driver (included with all Office 2003 apps) 2. Adobe Reader = Microsoft Office Document Imaging (included with all Office 2003 apps)
You say Acrobat can process a Word doc into a decently renderable pdf file. Well, Microsoft Office Document Image Writer can also turn a Publisher, Word, Powerpoint, Project, Excel, OneNote, Access, Outlook, Visio (etc.) decently renderable mdi file which can be viewed in Microsoft Office Document Imaging (which as I mentioned, is included with ANY Office standalone prodcut or Office Suites). And not ONLY that, but Microsofot Office Document Imaging can ALSO render other Office Suites, such as Corel WordPerfect, OpenOffice.org, or even say Adobe PageMaker. It operates in a similar way you would create at PDF file. If you were to say open Corel Draw 12, and then go to File > Print and you chose Microsoft Office Document Image Writer printer driver (instead of Adobe PDF printer driver), you would get a decently renderable output which can be viewed in MODI (yes, that is WTF that is!)
> *WTF is MODI? Ahh, still not quite a Jedi I see. Much to learn, you have.
> >|| Your gawd MS ought to be as smart as the > >|| folks at Adobe, no? > > > >Yup! > > *Sorry, but they are not. Do you have a cite or link that states otherwise? You mean that since 1986, the $40,000,000,000 Microsoft has spent on Research & Development has gone to waste, and that they are not a smarter, more efficient, innovative company because of it? Wouldn't you think that if they were not a smart company, that their sales would be down? Up until last year, only 3 of the 7 business units were profitable. And now, in 2004, 4 of the 7 business units are profitable. They consistently have increased not only revenue, but income as well. But I seriously would like to see a cite or link that states "Sorry, but they are not"
> >|| I am only suggesting that Publisher ought to be > >|| able to take any document created in the Office suite and be smart > >|| enuff to make it look right in Publisher. Like I said, it's a good wish, and I think you shoud send it to mswish@microsoft.com . But ya just can't single out MS, because I have not seen a SINGLE software company that can do what you have wished for.
Before you reply, do me a favor....READ my replies. And if you have anything of importance or value you to add, address the post properly.
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analog@logwell.com - 18 Jun 2004 07:46 GMT You are the one that started with the insults way back. You are a disgrace to M$ as an MVP, and do nothing but make excuses for their software. Your use defective logic in your arguments and distort what I have said. It is pointless to discuss this with you. The bottom line is that M$ has done a poor job with Publisher, especially with respect to website applications, and you and a few other MVPs seem to be the only ones that do not know it. Riddle me this, Robin: Do you suppose M$ refunded my money, and gave me hundreds of dollars worth of software and books because Publisher works like a charm?
>> *Actually we are talking about Word to Publisher. To my lay brain, it >seems to [quoted text clipped - 105 lines] >Before you reply, do me a favor....READ my replies. And if you have anything >of importance or value you to add, address the post properly. Brian Kvalheim - [MSFT MVP] - 18 Jun 2004 12:12 GMT ><analog@logwell.com> wrote in message
> You are the one that started with the insults way back. Cite quote please. And address my post while you are at it.
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tech27 - 18 Jun 2004 15:29 GMT Could anyone please turn off the flamethrowers and answer my question please?
I managed to do it using copy/paste but I had to insert a text box for the target in Publisher.
Is this the only way?
Thanks.
Brian Kvalheim - [MSFT MVP] - 18 Jun 2004 16:17 GMT Hi tech27 (tech27@mail.anonymizer.com), in the newsgroups you posted:
|| I managed to do it using copy/paste but I had to insert a text box || for the target in Publisher. || || Is this the only way? This is a limitation. You can copy/paste or you can using the Import Word Document feature under the file menu in Publisher 2002/2003.
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JoAnn Paules - 18 Jun 2004 19:27 GMT No asbestos undies? ;-)
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> Could anyone please turn off the flamethrowers and answer my question > please? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Thanks. tech27 - 18 Jun 2004 21:04 GMT No, I just wear a silk thong. The posters weren't flaming me, they just got into a whole MS sucks/doesn't suck thing. In fact, the only thing they DIDN'T touch on was my question.
> No asbestos undies? ;-) > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.707 / Virus Database: 463 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 JoAnn Paules - 18 Jun 2004 21:17 GMT Okay...................waaaaaay too much information.
I'm willing to try to help. Which version of Publisher? Which version of Word?
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> No, I just wear a silk thong. > The posters weren't flaming me, they just got into a whole MS [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.707 / Virus Database: 463 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 analog@logwell.com - 18 Jun 2004 21:46 GMT Would that all MVPs were as nice as JoAnn!
>Okay...................waaaaaay too much information. > >I'm willing to try to help. Which version of Publisher? Which version of >Word? JoAnn Paules - 18 Jun 2004 21:52 GMT You weren't saying that a few weeks ago.You sent me a nasty-gram via email.
But anyway, let's see if we can get you up and running.
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> Would that all MVPs were as nice as JoAnn! > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>I'm willing to try to help. Which version of Publisher? Which version of >>Word? JoAnn Paules - 18 Jun 2004 21:56 GMT Ignore that - I got you and another poster confused.
For public notice: Analog has never sent me a nasty-gram. (If you'd like to do so now, I owe you that ONE. Okay - but remember, I cry easily.)
 Signature JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
> You weren't saying that a few weeks ago.You sent me a nasty-gram via > email. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.707 / Virus Database: 463 - Release Date: 6/15/2004 analog@logwell.com - 19 Jun 2004 02:06 GMT I was getting worried there for a moment, since I did not remember sending you a nastygram. You have been nothing but nice and respectful, and definitely made me smile in an earlier post.
I am really a nice kinda guy, but software problems tax my patience. I think it is because I am too old to have played with this stuff in school (as to age, I learned Fortran and IITran in school). I have been a bit short tempered with one MVP in here who insists on defending the indefensible problems M$ has created with some of its software.
I cannot help but be annoyed that I am stuck in Publisher 2000 unless I want to spend an inordinate amount of time to move into FrontPage or Dreamweaver, It is totally unrealistic to move to Publisher 2003, and that is incomprehensible.
>Ignore that - I got you and another poster confused. > >For public notice: Analog has never sent me a nasty-gram. (If you'd like to >do so now, I owe you that ONE. Okay - but remember, I cry easily.) JoAnn Paules - 19 Jun 2004 02:10 GMT We all have something that really gets our knickers twisted. Life is too short to allow software to pi$$ you off. Teenagers, bosses, nieghbors, strangers, etc are more than willing to do that. I'd say spouses but since I'm still a blushing bride, it doesn't apply to me. ;-)
 Signature JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
>I was getting worried there for a moment, since I did not remember sending >you a [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >>to >>do so now, I owe you that ONE. Okay - but remember, I cry easily.)
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