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Word 2003 spellcheck misses mistakes especially gender

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Jeremy Millington - 26 Jun 2004 19:52 GMT
Hi all

Just wondered if anyone can help me - I'm going slightly nuts. Living in France, I write quite a lot of documents in French, and rely heavily on Microsoft Word's good (until now) spell and grammar checker.

Having just upgraded from Office 2000 Pro to Office 2003 Professional, I am dismayed to discover that the French spell and grammar check in the new version is nowhere near as good as the old one - glaring errors are missed out, it doesn't even correct wrong genders like "le maison", and anything more complex - forget it!

I've tried all I can think of to fine-tune the spell and grammar check options, but nothing changes.

Could it really be that Word 2003 would simply have a less sophisticated checker than Word 2000? Or have I missed something?

All suggestions extremely welcome. BTW, I've just reinstalled the French spellcheck part of the program, which has made no difference.

Thanks in advance

Jeremy

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Cindy M  -WordMVP- - 28 Jun 2004 14:24 GMT
Hi Jeremy,

> Just wondered if anyone can help me - I'm going slightly nuts. Living in France, I write quite a lot of documents in French, and rely heavily on Microsoft Word's good (until now)
spell and grammar checker.

You should try asking this in the word.spelling.grammar newsgroup. The other day, a French
MSFT person answered a question concerning French proofing tools. If you're lucky, he
(Thierry) might drop in again. It will help a lot if you can give concrete examples.

One thing to check before you do, though: are you certain the text that isn't getting
checked isn't formatted for "Do not check spelling and grammar"? (Tools/Language/Set
language; checkbox)

I know there have been problems with a couple of the languages in proofing tools, but I
hadn't heard about one with French.

Cindy Meister
INTER-Solutions, Switzerland
http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 8 2004)
http://www.word.mvps.org

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Thierry Fontenelle [MSFT] - 28 Jun 2004 19:51 GMT
Hello,

Thanks for your comment, Cindy ;-).

It is true that the Office XP French grammar checker
behaves differently from the one that was used in earlier
versions of Word. The current grammar checker is in fact
the first version of a product developed by our group. The
change was made on the basis of numerous reactions from
users who pointed out that the previous grammar checker
too frequently considered correct sentences as wrong,
which was both cumbersome and little useful. Our research
has shown that most users in fact switched off that
grammar checker because of those 'false flags'.
Our goal in replacing that product was to provide a tool
that would be more discrete and more reliable when it
comes to spotting real mistakes. It would therefore be
less intrusive and more useful. This being said, this new
tool does not spot a certain number of mistakes, but its
precision is much better than the previous product.

Now, very good news for you: we have worked on an improved
version of the French grammar checker which spots a lot
more mistakes while remaining very precise (and it does
correct the things you mention - *le maison...). This
version will be made available to users in a few weeks.

As to the spell-checker problems, there has not been any
change between the 2000 and the XP versions, so if you can
provide a more specific example of what kind of problem
you experience, we'll be glad to have a look at them.

I hope this is useful,

Best wishes,

Thierry

Thierry Fontenelle  [MSFT]
Microsoft Natural Language Group

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>Hi Jeremy,
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Cindy M  -WordMVP- - 29 Jun 2004 14:02 GMT
Hi Thierry,

> we have worked on an improved
> version of the French grammar checker which spots a lot
> more mistakes while remaining very precise (and it does
> correct the things you mention - *le maison...). This
> version will be made available to users in a few weeks.

Thank you so much for posting this :-) If it's not too much
trouble, could you post an announcement when the tools are
released, with a link to how they can be obtained?

Will these new tools also be applicable to those using
French in non-local language versions of Office that
include the French tools (such as English and German)? How
about for those who have purchased the full Proofing Tools
CD?

Cindy Meister
INTER-Solutions, Switzerland
http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update
Jun 8 2004)
http://www.word.mvps.org

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Bradley Music [MSFT] - 29 Jun 2004 18:48 GMT
>> we have worked on an improved
>> version of the French grammar checker which spots a lot
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>about for those who have purchased the full Proofing Tools
>CD?

Hi Cindy,

I'm the program manager who worked with Thierry on the
latest upgrade to the French GC.  The new version has a
noticeable increase in the number of good flags (errors
flagged correctly) on key error types, while
significantly decreasing the false flag rate (which as
Thierry pointed out, was the reason most users turned the
Office 2000 version off).  Fyi our evaluations are based
on thoroughly evaluating the GC behavior on large,
diverse data sets that our own developers do not have
access to, so there is no training effect.  

When the upgrade is posted, it will be available to
anyone with access to the Microsoft web site, whether
they're using the French version of Office or any other
version.  Current planning puts this tentatively some
time in August.

I'd be happy to post a note to this newsgroup to let you
know when it's available and where to find it.  

Best regards,
Bradley

Bradley Music [MSFT]
Microsoft Natural Language Group
Cindy M  -WordMVP- - 30 Jun 2004 13:12 GMT
Hi Bradley,

Thank you for the additional information :-) We'll be
looking forward to the notification.

> When the upgrade is posted, it will be available to
> anyone with access to the Microsoft web site, whether
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> I'd be happy to post a note to this newsgroup to let you
> know when it's available and where to find it.

Cindy Meister
INTER-Solutions, Switzerland
http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update
Jun 8 2004)
http://www.word.mvps.org

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