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MS Office Forum / Word / General MS Word Questions / October 2006Fonts not 'seen' by Windows/Word
Hi, On my mew XP computer i installed some special (Hebrew, Arabic, Javanese) fonts which I used without any problem under Windows-98. Now, Word will not show Hebrew, Arabic or Javanese (NOT: Japanese!!) type on screen, but only Latin ('a', 'b', 'c' et cetera). How do I install the fonts in such a way that they will be displayed as intended? The fonts in question are all TTF fonts, attributes not hidden, not system. I installed them via the menu in the FONTS map, and rebooted the computer. Nothing helps. I have only one printer installed (a Brother HL-1850 duplex laser printer which works fine, and is used by MS-Word). It DID work when I was still using Windows-98. I was using the same printer. The fonts appear in the Font List in Word, but cannot be activated somwhow. Do I have to tell Word that I want to use Unicode fonts? How do I do that? Kind regards, Rob. Have you installed complex script support on Windows XP? Do the fonts show up correctly in Notepad? In Wordpad?  SignatureMichKa [Microsoft] NLS Collation/Locale/Keyboard Technical Lead Globalization Infrastructure, Fonts, and Tools Blog: http://blogs.msdn.com/michkap This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Rob. >Have you installed complex script support on Windows XP? > >Do the fonts show up correctly in Notepad? In Wordpad? Yes, complex script support was installed from the very beginning. No, They do not show up in Wordpad or Office52 (did not try Notepad). Kind regards, Rob. Do the built-in fonts show the text properly? If so, then the fonts may not be valid Unicode fonts; is not, then complex script support may not actually be installed. I would definitely try in Notepad. SignatureMichKa [Microsoft] NLS Collation/Locale/Keyboard Technical Lead Globalization Infrastructure, Fonts, and Tools Blog: http://blogs.msdn.com/michkap This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. >>Have you installed complex script support on Windows XP? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Rob. Notepad gives the same disappointing results. Complex script support is installed. The fonts are okay, They worked well under Windows-98. When I change the language of the selected text from Dutch to Hebrew, the setting changes back by itself. The letters do not change. What can I try next? Kind regards, Rob van Albada. PS Have you any idea whether a Rashi-font exists? >Do the built-in fonts show the text properly? > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >> Rob. The question I asked was whether the fonts that ship with Windows itself that support Hebrew work properly or not. Working on Win98 is not proof that a font is okay -- there could be serious problems with a font that Win98 was not smart enough to know about that could lead to security holes or other instability. Does the font show up in Character Map? And if it does, are the Hebrew code points showing up in it with the right names and code points rather than as symbols? SignatureMichKa [Microsoft] NLS Collation/Locale/Keyboard Technical Lead Globalization Infrastructure, Fonts, and Tools Blog: http://blogs.msdn.com/michkap This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. > Notepad gives the same disappointing results. > Complex script support is installed. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >>> >>> Rob. Hi, I am not sure I can follow you. What do you mean with "Character Map"? They do appear in the Word font list, with their names in Latin and Hebrew, respectively Arabic. In the directory Fonts, I see only the Latin types displayed. (i.e. all the types are displayed but only in Latin script.) It is as if an offset is not being used. What do you mean with "Hebrew code points"? The font "David" is represented in the Word font list as "David DVD" and the font "Miriam" as "Miriam MYRM" (where DVS stands for the Hebrew letters dalet,waw, dalet and MYRM for mem, resh, yod, mem). Any way I can tell Word it has to apply an offset? Kind regards, Rob. >The question I asked was whether the fonts that ship with Windows itself >that support Hebrew work properly or not. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >>>> >>>> Rob. > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] >>>>> >>>>> Rob. "Rob van Albada" <R.vanAlbada2@chello.nl> wrote... > I am not sure I can follow you. > What do you mean with "Character Map"? It is an application that shows fontas -- ro to the run menu and type "charmap.exe" and hit enter. > They do appear in the Word font list, with their names in Latin and > Hebrew, respectively Arabic. I am really trying to see what happens with build in fonts like Tahoma and Microsoft Sans Serif, asnd in regular old Notepad. > In the directory Fonts, I see only the Latin types displayed. (i.e. > all the types are displayed but only in Latin script.) Not sure what you mean here, but font samples only ever show Latin from that directory. > It is as if an offset is not being used. see above. > What do you mean with "Hebrew code points"? I mean U+05d1 or 0x05d1 is HEBREW LETTER BET, and so on. > The font "David" is represented in the Word font list as "David DVD" > and the font "Miriam" as "Miriam MYRM" (where DVS stands for the > Hebrew letters dalet,waw, dalet and MYRM for mem, resh, yod, mem). > > Any way I can tell Word it has to apply an offset? Word does not work in offsets here. That is not how fonts work. SInce you want to do this in Word and not first in Windows, have you run the Office application that handles supported languages (in Office 2003 it is called "Office 2003 Language Settings" and made sure that Hebrew is selected as being supported? SignatureMichKa [Microsoft] NLS Collation/Locale/Keyboard Technical Lead Globalization Infrastructure, Fonts, and Tools Blog: http://blogs.msdn.com/michkap This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. > "Rob van Albada" <R.vanAlbada2@chello.nl> wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It is an application that shows fontas -- ro to the run menu and type > "charmap.exe" and hit enter. I use a program called X-Fonter for that purpose, before yesterday I did not know about the existence of charmap.exe! Well, all the fonts show up properly in charmap.exe. >>They do appear in the Word font list, with their names in Latin and >>Hebrew, respectively Arabic. > > I am really trying to see what happens with build in fonts like Tahoma and > Microsoft Sans Serif, asnd in regular old Notepad. They are doing fine (see below). >>In the directory Fonts, I see only the Latin types displayed. (i.e. >>all the types are displayed but only in Latin script.) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I mean U+05d1 or 0x05d1 is HEBREW LETTER BET, and so on >"Rob van Albada" <R.vanAlbada2@chello.nl> wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >It is an application that shows fontas -- ro to the run menu and type >"charmap.exe" and hit enter. Thanks for drawing my attention to charmap.exe. Before yesterday I had not heard of this useful program - I used X-Fonter instead (recommended!). Anyway, like X-Fonter, Charmap shows every character in every font. Everything appears to be okay. >> They do appear in the Word font list, with their names in Latin and >> Hebrew, respectively Arabic. > >I am really trying to see what happens with build in fonts like Tahoma and >Microsoft Sans Serif, asnd in regular old Notepad. Doing fine (see below). >> In the directory Fonts, I see only the Latin types displayed. (i.e. >> all the types are displayed but only in Latin script.) [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >called "Office 2003 Language Settings" and made sure that Hebrew is selected >as being supported? I am using Word 2000. All relevant languages are supported. But... I had not yet assigned the hot keys to change language. Assigning the hot keys did the trick! Thank you very much Micha for your help. Rob van Albada, Amsterdam. |
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