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Gimme back my language field in HOME card!!!!!

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Dario de Judicibus - 19 Dec 2007 13:20 GMT
I just purchased Office 2007. I expected an improvement in the way Word
manages different languages, but I was disappointed. Microsoft is continuing
*not* to understand the needs of people writing in different language, which
is quite common, for instance, in many European countries.

First of all Word must NOT associate a language to a keyboard layout!!!
PLEASE! THIS IS IMPORTANT! Associating languages to keyboard layouts is
simply crazy. I can write in many different languages (Italian, English,
French, German, Spanish) by using my own Italian keyboard. I can also (and I
did) create an extended layout to write in most latin languages.

But if I change the layout I *cannot* write anymore, because a lot of keys
are changed, even the same I already have on the keyboard! For example, I
can have a QWERZY keyboard instead of a QWERTY one. I cannot know from
memory all the possible keyboards even if I have to write a single term in
Polish or Sweden!

I should be able to select a word, a phrase, a piece of text and manually
say: this is French, this is Czech, this is Norwegian. It was possible in
Word XP, it is no more in Word 2007. Sometime, but *only sometime* (hard to
understand WHY), if I place the cursor on a word and I press the RMB, I get
also «language» in the context menu. But often I have not that choice and I
never have it if I select different words. No way to understand a priori
when «language» will be available on a certain word.

Please consider that trying to automatically understand which word is in
which language is a mess for a computer. Is «camera» an English world or an
Italian one? Both, but with different meaning. In «main» French or English?
Both again. I know, my PC cannot. So I *MUST* have the possibility to tell
to my PC: this is French, this is Italian, this is Spanish, this is English.

PLEASE, GIVE ME BACK THE LANGUAGE FIELD ON THE TOOLBAR, CARD OR WHATEVER YOU
CALL IT NOW (scheda in Italian)

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tedmi - 22 Dec 2007 19:55 GMT
> ....
> I should be able to select a word, a phrase, a piece of text and manually
> say: this is French, this is Czech, this is Norwegian. It was possible in
> Word XP, it is no more in Word 2007.

It *IS* possible in Word 2007. The Set Language command is on the Proofing
panel of the Review ribbon. Like you, I do a lot of multi-lingual writing,
and have placed the Set Language command on the Quick Access Toolbar (click
the down-arrow at the end of the line of icons above the title bar).

-TedMi
Dario de Judicibus - 23 Dec 2007 23:54 GMT
| > ....
| > I should be able to select a word, a phrase, a piece of text and manually
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
| and have placed the Set Language command on the Quick Access Toolbar (click
| the down-arrow at the end of the line of icons above the title bar).

But in Word XP there was the possibility to have the language field in the
toolbar. I was used to place that field close to the style field so that
setting a language was a matter of a click. Now I have to place that button
in the Quick Access toolbar, open a panel, and set a language. This crazy if
I have several foreign language in a single phrase, which is quite common
when you write an ITC document in a non-English language, since a lot of ICT
terms are English. Furthermore I cannot understand how to customize ribbons.
I could customize toolbars: that was incredibly useful because I could
really improve my productivity by tuning the toolbar exactly as I needed. It
looks like ribbons cannot be changed, and that is really annoying, because
they often contains a lot useless (for me, of course) commands, and the most
used commands are distributed among several ribbons. I cannot move all of
them in the Quick Access bar, since I would have a single long bar, less
friendly than few specialized toolbars. I am very disappointed by the new
layout. It is probably easier for dummy users but really a mess for
professional writers.

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tedmi - 26 Dec 2007 23:24 GMT
I find the Set Language functionality to be the same in 2007 & 2002/3 - one
click drops down a list of languages, with the ones for which proofing tools
are installed at the top. So the location of the control has changed (title
bar instead of toolbar), but that's just a cosmetic, not a functional change.
Also, you can assign commands to KB shortcuts, because keeping your hands on
the keyboard instead of reaching for the mouse is the fastest and preferred
mode of operation for professional writers. If you want to do that with
SetLanguage, be aware that on the KB shortcut dialog, it is listed as
ToolsLanguage on the Review Tab
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TedMi

> | > ....
> | > I should be able to select a word, a phrase, a piece of text and
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> layout. It is probably easier for dummy users but really a mess for
> professional writers.
Dario de Judicibus - 01 Jan 2008 22:53 GMT
|I find the Set Language functionality to be the same in 2007 & 2002/3 - one
| click drops down a list of languages, with the ones for which proofing tools
| are installed at the top. So the location of the control has changed (title
| bar instead of toolbar), but that's just a cosmetic, not a functional change.

Not really. I could select a word or a group of words in Word 2003 and
associate to it any language by context menu. Now that is posible only if
Word does not recognize the word, but if Word assume to know which is the
language of the word, the Language item is no more available in the context
menu. Selecting the language from toolbar or title bar is a mess if you have
a lot of word in different language in the same document, which is quite
common in European documents.

| Also, you can assign commands to KB shortcuts, because keeping your hands on
| the keyboard instead of reaching for the mouse is the fastest and preferred
| mode of operation for professional writers. If you want to do that with
| SetLanguage, be aware that on the KB shortcut dialog, it is listed as
| ToolsLanguage on the Review Tab

Ok, but still the language is linked to the keyboard layout. This makes no
sense. If i have a keyboard layout of a specific language, I am probably
writing mainly in that language, but the vice versa is not true. If I want
to write in a certain language, I do not switch the keyboard layout because
I cannot know where keystrokes are: the characters on a standard keyboard
does not change accordingly because they are printed on keys! Changing the
keyboard layout is useless, but associating a word, a phrase,a  citation to
another language (Englis, Latin, French, Italian, ...) is a must in a
multilanguage document.

International features in Office products are really weak. For example, I
should be able to switch to a view that allows me to see which words are
associated to which language; to easily toggle a language button to rapidly
associate various pieces of my document to a language; to easily introduce
Unicode charactes with one click operation. And it is absolutely necessary
that there is no assumption about the language I am writing in based on some
fake dependency on keyboard layout or the language used for menus and other
gadgets in Office products. I should be able to use an English version of
Word to write a French document by using my Italian keyboard (it is not a
rare case: I often do it, or at least... try to do it... sigh).

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Bob   Buckland ?:-) - 03 Jan 2008 11:36 GMT
Hi Dario,

If you right click on the status bar at the bottom of the Word 2007 screen one of the choices is to have it show you the language of
a selected text.

Double clicking the language on the status bar will also bring up the older style [set] language dialog, to apply a language
directly to a Word if you're not using Styles to also include language attributes.  If you select text that includes more than one
language the status bar seems to usually show the first language encountered in the selection (same as prior versions).

FWIW, the 'Home card' would be 'Home Tab' in the 'Ribbon' :)

As in prior versions you can switch off the automatic keyboard switching throug the Word Options
  Office Button(File)=>Word Options=>Advanced=>Editing Options
and turn off
[ ] Automatically switch keyboard to match langue of surrounding text.

The Ribbon is XML based and can be modified or replaced, but unfortunately not through the User Interface.  There are several 3rd
party apps that provide variants of the older interface by customizing the ribbon, such as http://pschmid.net .  The only one that I
recall that allows you to have older style custom floating toolbars is http://toolbartoggle.com  You may find a comparison of the
two at http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customization/CustomizeRibbon.htm to useful (be sure to scroll down past the unusually large 'white
space' region near the beginning of the article <g>).

The right click context menus can still be customized but requires Word VBA to set it up now.  I don't recall the language set
choice to be a default one in the right click menu in Word 2003, but was easily added. You may want to use the link below to also
post in the Word VBA discussion group on that topic, on being able to add a specific command to the right click menu for text.

In general, other than the location of the Word Options commands moving to a new location for setting the features from Word 2003
mentioned in MVP Cindy Meister's article at
 http://hompage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister/LangFmt.htm
still apply in Word 2007.

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But in Word XP there was the possibility to have the language field in the
toolbar. I was used to place that field close to the style field so that
setting a language was a matter of a click. Now I have to place that button in the Quick Access toolbar, open a panel, and set a
language. This crazy if I have several foreign language in a single phrase, which is quite common when you write an ITC document in
a non-English language, since a lot of ICT terms are English. Furthermore I cannot understand how to customize ribbons. I could
customize toolbars: that was incredibly useful because I could really improve my productivity by tuning the toolbar exactly as I
needed. It looks like ribbons cannot be changed, and that is really annoying, because they often contains a lot useless (for me, of
course) commands, and the most used commands are distributed among several ribbons. I cannot move all of them in the Quick Access
bar, since I would have a single long bar, less friendly than few specialized toolbars. I am very disappointed by the new layout. It
is probably easier for dummy users but really a mess for
professional writers.

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Dario de Judicibus - Rome, Italy (EU)>>
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Please let us know if this has helped,

Bob  Buckland  ?:-)
MS Office System Products MVP

 >>*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends<<

LINKS
A. Specific newsgroup/discussion group mentioned in this message:
  news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.word.vba.general
   or via browser:
  http://microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/?dg=microsoft.public.word.vba.
general


B. MS Office Community discussion/newsgroups via Web Browser
   http://microsoft.com/office/community/en-us/default.mspx
  or
   Microsoft hosted newsgroups via Outlook Express/newsreader
   news://msnews.microsoft.com

 
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