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## Set default - table properties ##

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Wai - 27 Nov 2003 16:37 GMT
Product: MS Word 2002 (English version)

How can I set the custom default of table properties?
[Please tell me step-by-step if possible, thanks !!]

Thank you very much for your attention and answers.
Suzanne S. Barnhill - 27 Nov 2003 21:50 GMT
Some properties can be set, but most cannot. To access the ones that can be
set, go to Format | Style and either select an existing table style or
create a new one. You will see that Format | Table Properties... gives you a
limited number of settings in that dialog. Note that the Table Normal style
cannot be modified, but you can select a different Table style as your
preferred one in the Table | Table AutoFormat dialog.

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> Product: MS Word 2002 (English version)
>
> How can I set the custom default of table properties?
> [Please tell me step-by-step if possible, thanks !!]
>
> Thank you very much for your attention and answers.
Wai - 30 Nov 2003 00:36 GMT
Do you know how I can set my new table to my default
AutoStyle when I create it "using the drawing toolbar"?

Eg:
- click on drawing toolbar | pencil-liked icon
- draw a table out

Problem:
- a table is based on table normal, instead of my table
style

What I need:
- change into my table style

>-----Original Message-----
>Some properties can be set, but most cannot. To access the ones that can be
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Suzanne S. Barnhill - 30 Nov 2003 04:45 GMT
Don't ever use the pencil to draw a table. You'll end up with a nightmare.
Use the Insert Table button on the toolbar instead.

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> Do you know how I can set my new table to my default
> AutoStyle when I create it "using the drawing toolbar"?
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Wai - 30 Nov 2003 15:54 GMT
>Don't ever use the pencil to draw a table. You'll end up
>with a nightmare.

Why?
What're the serious problems about it.
I wish to know.

Thanks

>-----Original Message-----
>Don't ever use the pencil to draw a table. You'll end up with a nightmare.
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Suzanne S. Barnhill - 30 Nov 2003 17:02 GMT
I don't have personal experience of drawing tables to go by, but the most
messed-up tables I've ever had to straighten out were created this way. It's
much harder to figure out merged and split cells that have been created by
drawing, and borders sometimes behave very oddly. Unless you're a very good
draftsman, it's really easier to start with a standard table and then merge
and split cells as needed (and get by with just removing borders as much as
possible) to create the desired structure.

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> >Don't ever use the pencil to draw a table. You'll end up
> >with a nightmare.
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Klaus Linke - 05 Dec 2003 00:15 GMT
I sometimes use the table drawing tool to turn "tables" that have been
created with (default) tabs into a proper table.

The drawing tool removes spurious spaces and tabs. It's much faster than any
other method.

When I'm done, I convert the table to text, and back to table. This gets rid
of the often strange cell margins and so on that the drawing tool applied.

Greetings,
Klaus

> I don't have personal experience of drawing tables to go by, but
> the most messed-up tables I've ever had to straighten out were
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Clive Huggan - 07 Dec 2003 11:34 GMT
Thanks for the great idea, Klaus!

Wai,

You may find it easiest to create a pre-formatted table via AutoText. This
is much quicker than formatting a table via Table menu -> Insert -> Table.

My version is Word 2001 on the Mac; your version may be slightly different.

In the table I formatted, I wanted only the horizontal lines to show between
the cells when printed; those lines are a quarter of a point in thickness;
the columns are of fixed width (since setting tables to automatically adjust
cell sizes makes Word more prone to failure); text does not break between
pages; and the style "table text" is applied in the cells. To space the
table within the body text of the document, the table is preceded by a
paragraph mark with "Keep with next" and no leading. A similar paragraph
mark, but without "Keep with next", follows the table.

(If I started most of my tables with emboldened column headings, I would
apply my emboldened custom style "table hdg" to the first row before making
the AutoText entry. If I wanted each cell to allow its text to split between
two pages, I would select the whole table from the left margin and choose
Table menu -> Table properties -> "Row" tab -> select "Allow rows to break
across pages". In practice I don't usually want the text in the type of
tables I use to break across pages, so I apply that characteristic manually
when I need it.)

To make the AutoText entry, I manually formatted the table and the preceding
and following paragraph marks (clicking the "Show paragraph mark" button
makes it easier), then selected the lot. Then Insert menu -> AutoText -> New
-> I named the entry "1ch, 1 col horiz lines" -> OK. I went on to make
"2ch", 3ch" and so on as I wanted. I used "1cb, 1 col all bordered" to
describe the same table but with vertical lines visible too ‹ which is the
format that most people use.

These tables can be inserted by keying the abbreviated term (for example,
"1ch") in the document -> select the abbreviated term (I use Shift-arrow) ->
Alt-Ctrl-v (Command-Option-v on the Mac).

They can also be inserted via the menu: Insertion point in required place.
Insert menu -> AutoText -> AutoTextŠ pop-out -> AutoText tab -> either
scroll to the entry or key the first (or more) letters of desired entry ->
select -> Insert (or Enter key; Return key on the Mac).

-- Clive Huggan

> I sometimes use the table drawing tool to turn "tables" that have been
> created with (default) tabs into a proper table.
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>>>>>>> How can I set the custom default of table
>>> properties?
Wai - 04 Dec 2003 23:32 GMT
>Don't ever use the pencil to draw a table. You'll end up
>with a nightmare.

Can you explain why?

>-----Original Message-----

>Use the Insert Table button on the toolbar instead.
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Suzanne S. Barnhill - 05 Dec 2003 04:18 GMT
I have already answered this question.

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> >Don't ever use the pencil to draw a table. You'll end up
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