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RobM - 30 Jan 2004 13:56 GMT
I choose a List Bullet 2 style but change the round bullet for a dash.

Everytime I re-open the file, it reverts back to the circle bullet -

anything I can do to stop this as the company policy is a dash at level

2 bullets.
Suzanne S. Barnhill - 30 Jan 2004 16:16 GMT
Did you modify the style itself? Did you modify it through Format |
Numbering? This works best if you use the Outline Numbering tab and link the
level to the style. And if you are actually using outline "numbering" for
bullets, you'd be best advised to set up the styles and numbering as
explained in
http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numbering/OutlineNumbering.html. See also
http://www.ShaunaKelly.com/word/bullets/controlbullets.html

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> I choose a List Bullet 2 style but change the round bullet for a dash.
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> 2 bullets.
Deborah Mowry - 03 Feb 2004 15:05 GMT
Thank you Suzanne, I read the web site and followed the whole deal on the
outline numbering for some bullet and number styles I have.
However, the new problem is - this is all done in a template that will be
used frequently. I attached the template to multiple documents yesterday and
then the outline indents would not appear. Everything is at the left margin
rather then stepped in. The style guide visually shows them on the left and
yet when I choose to modify the style to rebuild the .25" step for each
level, they are defined correctly - just not working though.
Any reason for this that you know of?

> Did you modify the style itself? Did you modify it through Format |
> Numbering? This works best if you use the Outline Numbering tab and link the
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Suzanne S. Barnhill - 03 Feb 2004 18:26 GMT
What happens if you select any given paragraph and press Ctrl+Q? And when
you attached the template, did you check "Automatically update document
styles"? (Be sure to uncheck it after the initial update.)

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> Thank you Suzanne, I read the web site and followed the whole deal on the
> outline numbering for some bullet and number styles I have.
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Deborah Mowry - 03 Feb 2004 18:58 GMT
Automatically update is definitely not on. It has it's advantages but not
when I want others to use this template too. I understand styles well but
not my co-workers.
Anyway, nothing happens when I press Ctrl-Q. This document was 'Normal'
style first then I applied the styles. This effect is totally new and makes
no sense why all the definitions are correct and yet the result is all left.
I did however go back into Outline Number and OK'd the dialog for Bullet
Level 1 (having changed nothing) and everything snapped back into place.
This may have worked for me but this will be useless when I send the
document to the client and they have the same visual - meaning all on the
left even though the definition is correct.
Anything else you can think of would be greatly appreciated.

> What happens if you select any given paragraph and press Ctrl+Q? And when
> you attached the template, did you check "Automatically update document
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Suzanne S. Barnhill - 04 Feb 2004 00:11 GMT
If what you're saying is that you attached the template and then applied the
template styles, then "Automatically update" would not be needed, but, just
to be clear, I'm talking about the setting in Tools | Templates and Add-ins,
not the one in Format | Style. But, although I am *not* an expert on
numbering, I've gathered that numbered styles often cause a problem in
attaching templates.

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> Automatically update is definitely not on. It has it's advantages but not
> when I want others to use this template too. I understand styles well but
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Shauna Kelly - 04 Feb 2004 12:09 GMT
Hi Deborah

> I did however go back into Outline Number and OK'd the dialog for Bullet
> Level 1 (having changed nothing) and everything snapped back into place.

This symptom can occur if you had previously clicked within a level 2
(or level 3 etc) paragraph and done Format > Styles etc from there. For
numbering to work properly, you must always click within a paragraph in
the style that is linked to Level 1 in your numbering scheme, and then
do Format > Styles etc. Once you've got your numbering set up properly,
remembering this is absolutely the hardest thing about maintaining the
numbering.

You might also find the following useful:
How to safely update a document's styles from its template without using
the Organizer (and
how to make the Tools + Templates and Add-ins dialog safe)
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/MacrosVBA/UpdateStyles.htm

Hope this helps.

Shauna Kelly.  Microsoft MVP.
http://www.shaunakelly.com/word

> Automatically update is definitely not on. It has it's advantages but not
> when I want others to use this template too. I understand styles well but
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