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MS Office Forum / Word / Long Documents / May 2004text wrapping break vs. manual line break
Hi all, Is there any difference between a "text wrapping break" (Insert > Break ...) and a manual line break (Shift+Enter)? The formatting character for the "text wrapping break" (if you display those with Ctrl+* / Ctrl+Shift+8) has vertical lines on both sides of the arrow. But it seems to act just the same as a manual line break? Regards, Klaus Well, I found the answer after all (using Google, and thanks to a post by Bob S / Suzanne Barnhill): http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=255521 If you have text wrapping around a picture or frame, a manual line break goes to the next line but continues wrapping the text, a "text wrapping break" goes to the next line *below* the picture/frame. Duh! Never ran into that, but looks useful. Rgds, Klaus I was glad that I *had* run into this discussion previously, as I had to use this critter for the first time in a project last month. I don't use graphics much, especially floating ones, but this project called for them, and I was having the devil of a time getting the text to go where I wanted it. The text wrapping breaks helped, though I can't claim yet to understand how "Distance from text" and "Space Before" were warring and fighting me. I finally bludgeoned the thing into submission by trial and error (on a tight deadline, of course). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word)  SignatureWords into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > Well, I found the answer after all (using Google, and thanks to a post by > Bob S / Suzanne Barnhill): [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Rgds, > Klaus Hi Suzanne, It's very interesting (and reassuring) to hear that you usually avoid floating pictures, too :-) Luckily, I don't need pictures in most of my docs, except some bullet-type inline pictures now and then. In the rare cases I have to include pictures, I usually define a "Picture" paragraph style with a frame (set to "Test wrapping: none" and some default width, together with "single" line spacing and some sensible "Format > Paragraph > Space before/after"). I then format an empty paragraph in the "Picture" style, and put the picture inline. This seems to work pretty well. For one, all inserted pictures get the frame's width automatically, which means that most times I don't have to worry about scaling them properly. In addition, it's easy to change the alignment and space before/after through the style. And if necessary, it still allows to set the frame to "Text wrapping: around", or to fix the frame's position relative to the page, if needed. If "Text wrapping: around" is used, the "text wrapping break" will be useful... I'd have guessed that it might have been better design to make the "text wrapping break" act like a paragraph mark (so the first paragraph below the picture/frame/table could get a different style). It would be interesting to know what the designers had in mind when making it act like a manual line break. Most documents (> 90%, I'd bet) with pictures that I get from others show lots of empty lines where some picture ought to be, while the picture sits on some other page messing up or covering the text, or even hangs around completely outside the text area. Not sure whether that means that floating pictures are a mess to deal with, or that just about nobody is clever enough to use them properly. From personal experience [= possibly from conceit], I'd assume the former ;-) Floating pictures (and probably the drawing canvas, too) may be something that is useful in DTP programs (page oriented, fixed fonts, fixed layout, fixed printer drivers ...), but it does seem badly adapted to a "text reflow" program such as Word. Regards, Klaus > I was glad that I *had* run into this discussion previously, as I had to use > this critter for the first time in a project last month. I don't use [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Rgds, > > Klaus Hi Klaus > In the rare cases I have to include pictures, I usually define a "Picture" > paragraph style with a frame (set to "Test wrapping: none" and some default > width, together with "single" line spacing and some sensible "Format > > Paragraph > Space before/after"). > I then format an empty paragraph in the "Picture" style, and put the > picture inline. Interesting. That means you keep a frame around all your pictures: visible or not? Depending on document type I guess? > This seems to work pretty well. > For one, all inserted pictures get the frame's width automatically, which [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > wrapping: around", or to fix the frame's position relative to the page, if > needed. The scaling effect works only if the picture is too large I reckon? > If "Text wrapping: around" is used, the "text wrapping break" will be > useful... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to know what the designers had in mind when making it act like a manual > line break. Yes indeed! I tried out that thing when I stumbled over it, and got rid of the idea of using it on the same day just beceause it's the same paragraph. The idea is fine, but it should have been executed via a paragraph property comparable to "keep with next" etc. – IMHO. 2cents .bob ..Word-MVP Signature/"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ / X Against HTML / \ in e-mail & news Hi, would you mind if I step in the discussion? Replies as follows: > Hi Suzanne, > > It's very interesting (and reassuring) to hear that you usually avoid > floating pictures, too :-) Me too. Floating pictures are horrible. Quite a lot of problems can occur. But if we just use inline pictures, it doesn't mean perfect. At least we lose some customization about the location of a picture. But if I wish my picture to float, I will do the following: - add a canvas to embed the picture in - try to do this at the very last moment The reasons are: - a canvas can effectively avoid the problem of covering text and related problems - to do this at the very last moment, you can avoid further unintentional changes made by Word. It can be very troublesome if you intend to alter the documents (eg delete and add some texts, paragraphs) after the embedding of floating pictures. Thanks for your attention. I agree that inserting pictures (whether inline or wrapped) when editing is complete saves a lot of hassle. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) SignatureWords into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > Hi, would you mind if I step in the discussion? > Replies as follows: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Thanks for your attention. > I agree that inserting pictures (whether inline or wrapped) when editing is > complete saves a lot of hassle. Did you make a typo? Sorry that can't really get what you mean? Did you wish to say: I agree that inserting pictures (whether inline or wrapped) AFTER editing THE WHOLE DOCUMENT is... "When editing is complete" means when the text of the document is in its final form (no more text editing will be done). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) SignatureWords into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > > I agree that inserting pictures (whether inline or wrapped) when editing is > > complete saves a lot of hassle. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I agree that inserting pictures (whether inline or wrapped) AFTER editing THE > WHOLE DOCUMENT is... |
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