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RSMITH - 20 Jun 2006 16:13 GMT

I am merging a letter in Word that uses tables from Access and SQL - the
fields are simple address and names. On each occasion Word imports the data
BUT - ignores the first requested record and inserts instead record #1 of the
whole database - therefore on each merge I need to insert the data for the
first required record separately. Otherwise the merge is perfect... Any
ideas??

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Peter Jamieson - 20 Jun 2006 18:35 GMT

How are you defining which records to merge? (e.g., are you checking
individual records in the Mail merge Recipients box, or specifying a start
and end record number, or what?)

Also, what exactly is the data source? Are you using an Access table? An
Access query? An Access table linked to a SQL Server database? Directly
connecting to a SQL Server database? All of them?

Peter Jamieson

>I am merging a letter in Word that uses tables from Access and SQL - the
> fields are simple address and names. On each occasion Word imports the
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> first required record separately. Otherwise the merge is perfect... Any
> ideas??

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RSMITH - 21 Jun 2006 08:52 GMT

Sorry - I could have made that clearer - the data is held in a SQL Server
database and linked to Access 2000, I have tried taking the data directly
from SQL Server with identical results, there are around 150k records. From
that I merge into a Word 2003 document, I don't use the wizard in word
because that is too cumbersome so I use the query facility that was standard
in Word 2000, the records are usually simply filtered to an account number
and postcode.

> How are you defining which records to merge? (e.g., are you checking
> individual records in the Mail merge Recipients box, or specifying a start
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> > first required record separately. Otherwise the merge is perfect... Any
> > ideas??

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Peter Jamieson - 28 Jun 2006 11:06 GMT

Sorry for the delayed response - I have been away. Nothing springs to mind
but I will have a look.

Peter Jamieson

> Sorry - I could have made that clearer - the data is held in a SQL Server
> database and linked to Access 2000, I have tried taking the data directly
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>> > Any
>> > ideas??

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RSMITH - 28 Jun 2006 16:02 GMT

Thanks Peter - it is a very frustrating glitch - I can't reproduce it in
W2000 and previous versions. Sometimes I can work round it by selecting the
record before the one I need - it is more difficult when I am selecting by
postcode or county, etc.

> Sorry for the delayed response - I have been away. Nothing springs to mind
> but I will have a look.
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> >> > ideas??

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Peter Jamieson - 29 Jun 2006 10:28 GMT

OK, I haven't been able to reproduce this here, but my data may be too
simple. I don't know if you are in a position to modify the data and
structures on your database, but a few questions/suggestions:
a. what is the data source exactly (a table, a view, does it involve a
Transact-SQL procedure).
b. how are you connecting to SQL Server? Are you using the same ODBC
connection as you would have used in Word 2000 (perhaps in conjunction with
MS Query), or an OLEDB connection? If you have not tried both already, try
the other method.
c. if possible, drop/recreate the table's indexes.
d. If you connect to other tables, do you see the same problem? In
particular, can you create a copy of the table you are using with a new name
and copy some (and/or all, although that may be asking rather a lot given
the table size you mention) of the data to that table, and use that as the
data source.
e. Can you provide a sample of the SQL Query code that Word is using? (to
find that out, you can open the mail merge main document, set up the filter
you want, start Word's VB editor, open the immediate window, and type

print ActiveDocument.MailMerge.DataSource.QueryString

and copy/paste the result into a message here.

(If you do that, it might also be useful to do

print ActiveDocument.MailMerge.DataSource.Name

and

print ActiveDocument.MailMerge.DataSource.ConnectString

as well)

Peter Jamieson

> Thanks Peter - it is a very frustrating glitch - I can't reproduce it in
> W2000 and previous versions. Sometimes I can work round it by selecting
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>> >> > ideas??

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RSMITH - 30 Jun 2006 09:32 GMT

Peter - I'm not familiar with Word VB - I believe I did what you suggested -
open VB - clicked on the open document that opened a new sheet, typed in as
you asked - hit enter - nil - tried run - nil - I guess it needs something
else!

I have a desktop link to the SQL Server data on the server - I also have a
link to the tables through Navision - I've tried cutting and pasting records
from that data into an Access database on my local PC - I consistently get
the same results: the first record of the requested records is always
replaced with the first record on the table in use. Even when I've cut the
data to a new Access table. (e.g I cut 100 records into a new table,
properties from Berkshire, Oxfordshire, Wiltshire - I try to select all
properties in Oxfordshire but the first record is record 1 - a property in
Berkshire)

Peter I am anxious to resolve this problem but I shall be away for two weeks
after today - if you can advise how to use the VB editor today I can get that
back to you...

> OK, I haven't been able to reproduce this here, but my data may be too
> simple. I don't know if you are in a position to modify the data and
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Peter Jamieson - 30 Jun 2006 12:29 GMT

> Peter - I'm not familiar with Word VB - I believe I did what you
> suggested -
> open VB - clicked on the open document that opened a new sheet, typed in
> as
> you asked - hit enter - nil - tried run - nil - I guess it needs something
> else!

In the VB Editor you need to type what I suggested into the "Immediate
Window". If you didn't see an "Immediate Window", click View|Immediate
Window to open it.

If you have the time today, can you clarify a couple of things here:

> I have a desktop link to the SQL Server data on the server

What sort of link is this?

> I also have a
> link to the tables through Navision - I've tried cutting and pasting
> records
> from that data into an Access database on my local PC - I consistently get
> the same results: the first record of the requested records is always
> replaced with the first record on the table in use.

> Even when I've cut the
> data to a new Access table. (e.g I cut 100 records into a new table,
> properties from Berkshire, Oxfordshire, Wiltshire - I try to select all
> properties in Oxfordshire but the first record is record 1 - a property in
> Berkshire)

Are you saying that
a. whatever you retrieve the records into, you still see the problem where
"record 1 in the database" replaces the first record you want? Even if Word
is not involved at all? or that
b. when you retrieve the records into Access, they are the ones you want,
and it is only when you try to get them via Word that the replacement
occurs? (Seems unlikely that that could be the case but maybe you could
confirm/deny)

If it's (a) then I would have to suspect an error in your Dynamics database
(perhaps index corruption as I suggested, or a problem - perhaps
corruption - in an OLEDB provider and/or some other part of Microsoft's
general data access software (a.k.a. the MDAC). If the Dynamics database
makes extensive use of SQL Transact procedures, than I could just about
imagine that there is an error in (one of) the relevant procedure(s), but
that seems highly unlikely.

If you haven't tried the ODBC route, that's still my best guess at the
moment for a quick solution, primarily because that's what Word 2000 would
have used. However, it is usually non-trivial to connect using that method
so maybe we had better leave it for now...

Peter Jamieson

> Peter - I'm not familiar with Word VB - I believe I did what you
> suggested -
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RSMITH - 17 Jul 2006 13:18 GMT

Peter - sorry for the delay in getting back to you - having now understood a
little more the results were as follows:

print ActiveDocument.MailMerge.DataSource.QueryString
SELECT * FROM "Permadoor$PMDR Property"

print ActiveDocument.MailMerge.DataSource.Name
C:\Documents and Settings\RogerSmith\My Documents\My Data
Sources\192.168.1.199 Permadoor Permadoor$PMDR Property.odc

print ActiveDocument.MailMerge.DataSource.ConnectString
Provider=SQLOLEDB.1;Password=roger;Persist Security Info=True;User
ID=rsmith;Initial Catalog=Permadoor;Data Source=192.168.1.199;Use Procedure
for Prepare=1;Auto Translate=True;Packet Size=4096;Workstation ID=S_F2;Use
Encryption for Data=False;Tag with column collation when possible=False

The link to the data is across the network - the data being on the server -
SQL server being where the data is held and this is accessed through a MS
Navision front.

When I ask Word through Mail Merge Helper to filter all records for say,
Oxfordshire, it replaces record 1 for Oxfordshire with record one for the
entire database and that may be say a record for Berkshire. (When I try the
same on another machine where Word 2000 is used the problem does not exist -
I only get this on Word 2003.)

Regards
Roger Smith

> > Peter - I'm not familiar with Word VB - I believe I did what you
> > suggested -
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Peter Jamieson - 19 Jul 2006 09:37 GMT

Hello Roger,

I've also been away. BTW, because we've been discussing this question for a
while, I should say that it's quite likely that I will not be able to get to
the bottom of the problem, and certainly not if it results from a fault in
Word 2003 or Microsoft's MDAC code, so you might want to consider opening a
support incident directly with Microsoft (we're just volunteers), e.g. via
http://support.microsoft.com, or any other support agreement you might have
with Microsoft.

I couldn't see anything in the values you provided that would cause problems
on their own. It may be significant that you are not using "Integrated
Security" to log into the SQL Server, but I doubt it. If you can answer my
other questions (with the (a)/(b) options), so much the better.

I notice that the QueryString value does not have any "WHERE" clause which I
would expect if you had applied a filter, so I'm assuming that the value you
provided is the one you see when you open the document. Can you try applying
the filter you want (e.g. Oxfordshire records) and print out the value of
QueryString at that point? Also, if you are still able to do this from Word
2000, please print the same three values from there - that should also make
it easier to try the "connecting via ODBC" option I suggested.

Peter Jamieson

> Peter - sorry for the delay in getting back to you - having now understood
> a
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Jennifer - 29 Jun 2006 15:14 GMT

When I open word (Microsoft XP) for labels it saves it to an access data base
and my print document is word. The details are saved in "My data source" and
it doesn't give me any other option to save the information except in an
Access table.

I've never had this trouble with MS Office and this is the first time I have
used the labels on XP. It is important for work, and urgent for me! Thanks!

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Doug Robbins - Word MVP - 29 Jun 2006 16:48 GMT

I am not really sure what the issue is, but if you want to get the data into
a different form, use the datasource for a Directory type mailmerge in which
you insert the merge fields, one to a cell, of a single row table. When you
execute that merge to a new document, that document will contain a row of
data for each record in the data source.

If you want to use that as your mailmerge data source, insert a row at the
top of the table and enter the field names into the cells of that row.

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Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

> When I open word (Microsoft XP) for labels it saves it to an access data
> base
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> used the labels on XP. It is important for work, and urgent for me!
> Thanks!

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