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MS Office Forum / Word / Menus and Toolbars / January 2004Word Styles create - delete
Ok. I give. What's the secret to deleting user created styles? I've tried everything I can think of but as soon as Word is closed and reopened the styles I deleted in the last session reappear. This should be easy but it is not. Are you being prompted to save Normal.dot when you quit Word? Are you saying yes? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word)  SignatureWords into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > Ok. I give. What's the secret to deleting user created styles? > > I've tried everything I can think of but as soon as Word is closed and > reopened the styles I deleted in the last session reappear. > > This should be easy but it is not. >Are you being prompted to save Normal.dot when you quit Word? Are you saying >yes? Yes. I'm being prompted AND I say yes to saving Normal.dot. To elaborate on the problem. I created a new toolbar. The toolbar contains some macros as well as a set of standardized in-house styles for editing manuscripts (we're a publishing company). The style tags from Word are then read by our typesetting program (PageMaker) when the Word doc is placed in our publication files. The style names must be EXACTLY the SAME in order for this to work without flaw. During this process it became apparent that the NAME of two word styles had to be changed in order to be compliant. I changed the style name and saved it in the template. When opening Word I saw both the old and new style name. I can delete the old style name. But as soon as I quit and restart Word, it is back. Additionally, when opening Word this morning, the "normal" style in the template reverted to Times New Roman 10 pt with no tabs, whereas the modified style should have been Times 11 pt with 4 tab stops. What's up? Are the styles reappearing in a blank document? If so, you have user-created styles stored in Normal.dot, and need to delete them there. For more information, see http://word.mvps.org/faqs/apperrors/BlankDocNotBlank.htm This is about text changes to Normal.dot, but the same general principles apply to styles. SignatureMargaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org > Ok. I give. What's the secret to deleting user created styles? > > I've tried everything I can think of but as soon as Word is closed and > reopened the styles I deleted in the last session reappear. > > This should be easy but it is not. >Are the styles reappearing in a blank document? If so, you have user-created >styles stored in Normal.dot, and need to delete them there. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >This is about text changes to Normal.dot, but the same general principles >apply to styles. Ah ha! THANK YOU! Editing the Normal.dot directly as that document describes *seems* to have been the answer! Geez... it should be simplier (read more intuitive) than that. And it would be MUCH more helpful if Word stored the normal.dot someplace other than as a hidden file under user names in the "documents and settings" folder... The way Office scatters template folders all over the place is pretty weird (and don't even get me started on the problems of using a normal.dot from Word 2000 in Word 2002). Now if I can only get MS to provide a patch so that the add-ins that I'm running don't force Word into the anal-retentive need to save normal.dot everytime I exit the program (I think it is the Dymo label writer software that's causing this on my system... and it is NOT something that I want to uninstall). > Now if I can only get MS to provide a patch so that the add-ins that > I'm running don't force Word into the anal-retentive need to save > normal.dot everytime I exit the program It won't do it automatically if you check "Prompt to save Normal Template" on the Save page of the Options dialog box. This isn't a Word issue - it is behaving as it should. The problem is due to a poorly designed add-in that modifies your Normal.dot each time Word starts. More than likely it's adding a toolbar or menu item. A properly designed add-in should not dirty a user's Normal.dot or at least code it properly so Word doesn't think the Normal.dot has been modified once the menu/toolbar item has been added. It's easy enough to do with a simple line of code. You should contact the manufacturer of your Dymo software - at least let them know their add-in could use some polishing. SignaturePlease post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ > Now if I can only get MS to provide a patch so that the add-ins that > I'm running don't force Word into the anal-retentive need to save > normal.dot everytime I exit the program (I think it is the Dymo label > writer software that's causing this on my system... and it is NOT > something that I want to uninstall). >This isn't a Word issue - it is behaving as it should. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >You should contact the manufacturer of your Dymo software - at least >let them know their add-in could use some polishing. Yes. I have complained. As I'm certain a few other users have done. Yet, mysteriously, it was the first time the tech I spoke with ever heard about it. But hey, the job is probably outsourced and he's probably at some phone bank in Asia. Such is the state of software. MS makes its programs complicated (some would say full-featured), then opens the doors to other developers, who simply don't code stuff correctly. In short: They the third party programmers whine when they are left out, but when let in they don't follow the rules of the game. What's a user to do. Do not use an add-in if it is not coded properly and tell the third party why you are not using it. That's what I do anyway. So far one has polished their add-in - it's a start anyway. <g> SignaturePlease post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ > Yes. I have complained. As I'm certain a few other users have done. > Yet, mysteriously, it was the first time the tech I spoke with ever [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > What's a user to do. > So far one has polished their add-in - it's a start anyway. <g> I'm curious: Was that one MS? <g> Klaus > > So far one has polished their add-in - it's a start anyway. <g> > > I'm curious: Was that one MS? > > <g> Klaus LOL I wish! (Don't get me started on the add-in you are referring to. <g>) In this case it was Snag-it add-in. Although I'm fairly certain I wasn't the only one who mentioned this to them. ;-) SignaturePlease post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Word FAQ: http://mvps.org/word TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ No, in fact Word MVP Bill Coan sent them the corrected code IIRC--or at least specific instructions on correcting it. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) SignatureWords into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > > > So far one has polished their add-in - it's a start anyway. <g> > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ > MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ > No, in fact Word MVP Bill Coan sent them the corrected > code IIRC--or at least specific instructions on correcting it. I hope he gets through... I sent something like that for the "Read in Microsoft Reader" add-in, and it never got fixed as far as I know. Klaus He did get through. TechSmith released a revised version of SnagIt immediately. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) SignatureWords into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > > No, in fact Word MVP Bill Coan sent them the corrected > > code IIRC--or at least specific instructions on correcting it. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Klaus |
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