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MS Office Forum / Word / Menus and Toolbars / May 2005Control Toolbox toolbar won't go away!
I have a template file I'm using with certain docs. Whenever a doc that has this template file attached is opened, the Control Toolbox toolbar appears. I close it, but it opens again next time. How can I close it for good with documents with this template? Thanks. >I have a template file I'm using with certain docs. Whenever a doc that has >this template file attached is opened, the Control Toolbox toolbar appears. >I close it, but it opens again next time. How can I close it for good with >documents with this template? > >Thanks. If the document contains one or more controls from the Control Toolbox, AND you have the macro security level set to High (Tools > Macro > Security), then that document will always open in Design Mode with the Toolbox displayed. Which template is attached really has nothing to do with it. You can turn the security level down to Medium and click the Enable button when the macro warning appears, or you can remove the controls from the document and replace them with something else. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Hi Jay My experience is that documents will open in design mode whenever macros are disabled - so often it really is template related, and doesn't depend on having controls in the document. -- Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP  SignatureSyntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org >>I have a template file I'm using with certain docs. Whenever a doc that >>has [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Jay Freedman > Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org >Hi Jay > >My experience is that documents will open in design mode whenever macros are >disabled - so often it really is template related, and doesn't depend on >having controls in the document. Hi Margaret, Sorry, that isn't what I see at all. I just tried again... set the security level to Very High... create a new document based on a macro-containing template that's stored in My Documents (because the regular Templates folder is trusted, using a template stored there wouldn't prove anything)... the document did *not* open in design mode, but the macros are disabled. However, opening a document that has macros stored in it -- but no ActiveX controls -- does open in design mode. But that document is based on Normal.dot, and the macros that live in the template still work because the template is trusted. So my (slightly modified) statement is that a document that contains either ActiveX controls or macros will open in design mode when macros are disabled. It still doesn't depend on the attached template. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org >>Hi Jay >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Jay Freedman > Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Hi Jay I've just checked again and you are absolutely right - funny, as I never use Active-OX controls, nor macros in documents, and was certain I'd seen this behaviour on opening a document with non-trusted template, but it looks like it must have been on an occasion when I opened the template itself. -- Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP SignatureSyntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org Hi, Jay. > Sorry, that isn't what I see at all. I just tried again... set the > security level to Very High... create a new document based on a > macro-containing template that's stored in My Documents (because the > regular Templates folder is trusted, using a template stored there > wouldn't prove anything)... the document did *not* open in design > mode, but the macros are disabled. That wasn't my experience. When I opened a document based on a template with a macro, it *did* open in design mode (and the macro is disabled). Security setting is High (I don't have a "Very High" -- just Low, Medium, and High; but I'm using Word 2000). The template does not have any controls in it -- just text and a single macro. > However, opening a document that has macros stored in it -- but no > ActiveX controls -- does open in design mode. But that document is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > either ActiveX controls or macros will open in design mode when macros > are disabled. It still doesn't depend on the attached template. I'm a bit confused here because in the first paragraph you wrote that the document based on a macro-containing template did not open in design mode when macros were disabled. But here you say it will open in design mode. ? Neil > -- > Regards, > Jay Freedman > Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Do you know if the document _ever_ had macros in it? If so, that setting is permanent even if the macros are later removed. SignatureCharles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. > Hi, Jay. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> Jay Freedman >> Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org >Hi, Jay. > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >Neil The distinction is whether the macro is in the attached template or in the document itself. Word generally "expects" macros to be stored in templates -- in early versions, macros couldn't be stored in documents at all. When it finds macros in documents, it assumes they're malicious code unless you approve them specifically -- that's the kind of world we live in. <sigh> When you set the macro security level to High, you're saying, "Assume all macros in documents are viruses and prevent them from running -- no exceptions, don't even ask me. Assume the same for macros in templates except those in a few specific trusted folders." Opening in design mode is a specific symptom of Word finding (or thinking it found*) and disabling a macro or an ActiveX control in a document. If there are none in the document, but there are macros in its attached template, then the macros are disabled if the template is not trusted, but design mode doesn't appear. *As Charles pointed out in a parallel reply, a document that has ever had a macro stored in it will continue to trigger Word's allergic response even after the macro is deleted. This can be cured by saving the document in RTF format and back into Word format. If you set the macro security level to Medium, you can choose to disable or enable macros in documents each time you open the document. -- Regards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org OK, thanks for clarifying the difference between the template and document and storing macros. In the below you wrote: >>Hi, Jay. >> [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > Jay Freedman > Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Please ignore this one. Was sent by mistake. > OK, thanks for clarifying the difference between the template and document > and storing macros. In the below you wrote: [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] >> Jay Freedman >> Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org OK, thanks for clarifying the difference between the template and document and storing macros. In the below you wrote: "Opening in design mode is a specific symptom of Word finding (or thinking it found*) and disabling a macro or an ActiveX control in a document. If there are none in the document, but there are macros in its attached template, then the macros are disabled if the template is not trusted, but design mode doesn't appear." In my case, the macro is stored in the template and always has been. The documents have never had any macros stored in them. Yet when I open a document based on that template, in addition to disabling the macro, the document is opened in design mode. I'll note that the documents were originally created using Normal.dot and then this macro-containing template was attached to them. I don't know if that makes a difference, but I note it anyway. Neil >>Hi, Jay. >> [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > Jay Freedman > Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org Hi Neil, I don't know what to tell you. I've tested that exact scenario, but in Word 2003, and I still see what I described and not what you described. Have you tried saving the document as RTF and then back to .doc? If the problem really is that the "has macros" flag in the document is turned on (leaving aside the question of how it got that way) and not anything to do with the attached template, then this treatment will make the problem go away. SignatureRegards, Jay Freedman Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org > OK, thanks for clarifying the difference between the template and > document and storing macros. In the below you wrote: [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] >> Jay Freedman >> Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org It's not a single document. We have thousands of documents related to a database application (each document for a particular record of the database). I created a template for use with the documents (they were all created based on each user's Normal.dot), and placed it in a global location on the network (path was not specified under Workgroup Templates). Each document is opened from its database button (so, for example, if the user is in record 12345, and they click the Doc button, the button opens 12345.doc in Word using automation). I modified the database so that it automatically attaches the new template to a doc when it is opened, or uses the new template when a new doc is created. All well and good. No problems. Then one day, some weeks later, I added a macro to the template. All the users started complaining that they were getting the design mode toolbar pop up, and it was driving them crazy. Didn't matter which document. Whenever they opened a document through the database, they got the toolbar. Closed the toolbar and Word, and then opened another document, and toolbar came back. Finally, I removed the macro from the template (actually had to recreate the template from scratch, since there isn't a way (that I could find) to save a template file as RTF). As soon as I removed the macro from the template, the problem went away. So the problem was definitely with the macro in the template. When it was installed there, they got the toolbar; when the macro was removed from the template, the toolbar went away. None of the documents have any problems now. Neil > Hi Neil, > [quoted text clipped - 95 lines] >>> Jay Freedman >>> Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org |
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