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<*(((>< - 06 Aug 2006 05:12 GMT
I've got Macros trouble.  I'm using Word XP on XP Home SP2.  The about
dialog box says I'm using MS Word 2000 v10.2627.2625.  

I can't create macros.  I can go through the steps, but the macros
don't save and so I can't run them after I create them.  Once I saw a
dialog box saying I need to change my macro security settings.  

I have macros from Adobe on my toolbar.  How do I get rid of those?  

Thanks in advance!
Doug Robbins - Word MVP - 06 Aug 2006 07:45 GMT
The macro recorder will not record everything.

See the article "Getting To Grips With VBA Basics In 15 Minutes" at:

http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/MacrosVBA/VBABasicsIn15Mins.htm

and

See the article "How to find out whether any Word Add-ins have been
installed" at:

http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customization/CheckIfAddinsInstalled.htm

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> I've got Macros trouble.  I'm using Word XP on XP Home SP2.  The about
> dialog box says I'm using MS Word 2000 v10.2627.2625.
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> Thanks in advance!
Jay Freedman - 06 Aug 2006 12:43 GMT
I think Adobe is the clue and the culprit. Not only is it putting
buttons on your toolbar, but it's probably preventing you from saving
anything at all -- not just macros -- in the Normal.dot template.

See http://www.gmayor.com/lose_that_adobe_acrobat_toolbar.htm,
especially the last section.

By the by, there something confusing in your description of the About
box. The version number (v10) is correct for Office XP, but it
probably says Word 2002, not Word 2000. Sometimes these little
differences can be important.

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>I've got Macros trouble.  I'm using Word XP on XP Home SP2.  The about
>dialog box says I'm using MS Word 2000 v10.2627.2625.  
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>Thanks in advance!  
<*(((>< - 07 Aug 2006 09:01 GMT
Thanks.  And thanks for catching my typo -- Yes, it says Word 2002.  I
used Word 2000 for so long I guess I forgot to update myeslf.  

Adobe just does not play nice with others, does it?  I'll get rid of
that dang thing.  And yes, *something* is preventing me from saving
any customizations.  Hope to get this straightened away before school
starts again in two weeks.  

I appreciate your help, and especially the vital link.  

<*(((><

>I think Adobe is the clue and the culprit. Not only is it putting
>buttons on your toolbar, but it's probably preventing you from saving
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>probably says Word 2002, not Word 2000. Sometimes these little
>differences can be important.
<*(((>< - 07 Aug 2006 11:00 GMT
I downloaded the ZapAdobe file, put the dot in the Word/Startup
folder.  No joy.  I opened a new document based on the ZapAdobe dot
and ran the macro.  No joy.  

I have Adobe Acrobat v6 -- the full pdf writer.  I don't know what to
do next.  

I want to get the icons off the toolbar.  (It's okay if they stay
under a menu command).  And I want to be able to write macros and
customize word and having the settings stick.  

Plan B?  

<*(((><

>I think Adobe is the clue and the culprit. Not only is it putting
>buttons on your toolbar, but it's probably preventing you from saving
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>probably says Word 2002, not Word 2000. Sometimes these little
>differences can be important.
Jay Freedman - 07 Aug 2006 15:00 GMT
As I've never owned Adobe Acrobat of any version, I can't test this, but it
should do:

1. Shut down Word.
2. Move the Adobe add-in file from your Startup folder to anywhere else. (My
understanding is that in v6, Acrobat was still using a .dot file add-in
rather than a COM add-in.)
3. Rename Normal.dot to OldNormal.dot.
4. Restart Word, which will create a new Normal.dot with no customizations.
5. Use the Organizer (Tools > Templates & Add-Ins > Organizer) to copy your
customizations -- at least, any that were already saved -- from
OldNormal.dot to Normal.dot.
6. Start adding your new macros and other customizations.

Someone with real knowledge of Acrobat, such as Graham Mayor, may be able to
tell you more about safely restoring the add-in. Until then, keeping the
add-in out of the Startup folder will prevent it from loading automatically
and degrading your setup.

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> I downloaded the ZapAdobe file, put the dot in the Word/Startup
> folder.  No joy.  I opened a new document based on the ZapAdobe dot
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>> probably says Word 2002, not Word 2000. Sometimes these little
>> differences can be important.
<*(((>< - 08 Aug 2006 11:00 GMT
No Joy.  I followed your instructions.  First, there are no Adobe
*.dot files in /Documents and Settings/.  I've tried to move the
plug-in icons off the toolbar and into the "Window" Menu list.  When I
reopen word, the plugins are right back on their very own toolbar
again.  

Do you know of anybody else who could help?  

Thank you.  

<*(((><

>As I've never owned Adobe Acrobat of any version, I can't test this, but it
>should do:
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>add-in out of the Startup folder will prevent it from loading automatically
>and degrading your setup.
Charles Kenyon - 08 Aug 2006 13:43 GMT
http://www.gmayor.com/lose_that_adobe_acrobat_toolbar.htm.

Hope this helps,
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> No Joy.  I followed your instructions.  First, there are no Adobe
> *.dot files in /Documents and Settings/.  I've tried to move the
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>>automatically
>>and degrading your setup.
<*(((>< - 10 Aug 2006 04:45 GMT
Hi Charles --

I was hoping you would answer.  :-)

I downloaded that and tried it, but it isn't working.  I need some
more particularized help.  Can you help me?

<*(((><

>http://www.gmayor.com/lose_that_adobe_acrobat_toolbar.htm.
>
>Hope this helps,
Charles Kenyon - 10 Aug 2006 08:45 GMT
That page isn't for downloading; it is for reading. Read through it
thoroughly and try the various suggestions. And no, I can't because I've
never had Adobe Acrobat installed. Graham Mayor may be able to, though.
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> Hi Charles --
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>>Hope this helps,
Margaret Aldis - 11 Aug 2006 15:20 GMT
If the problem is the one where Adobe marks Normal.dot (after it's messed
with it) as "clean" so it doesn't save, then the answer is that you have to
save explicitly. When you've recorded a macro, why not use the Visual Basic
Editor (Alt F11) to check that the code is there in Normal, and then save
from there? You can also force a save by holding down Shift as you select
the File menu and selecting "Save All".

For general info, the latest fixes to Acrobat 7 have finally resolved the
problem.

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> Hi Charles --
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>>Hope this helps,
<*(((>< - 12 Aug 2006 20:05 GMT
Hi Margaret,

I think I almost understand what you're suggesting.  I don't want to
use Visual Basic every time I record a macro or make a customization
to a toolbar, or change a default font, etc.  I want to get rid of the
Adobe Toolbar that has been following me around since I installed
Adobe 6.0.  

I read Graham Mayor's link over and over and tried the suggestions.
But I have not had any success.  

Can I do something else to get rid of the darn toolbar?  

Thanks.  

PS:  Charles -- if you don't use Adobe, what DO you use when you send
documents online?  Don't you worry about Metadata?  And don't you need
to file some PDF's with Court?  

<*(((><

>If the problem is the one where Adobe marks Normal.dot (after it's messed
>with it) as "clean" so it doesn't save, then the answer is that you have to
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>For general info, the latest fixes to Acrobat 7 have finally resolved the
>problem.
Charles Kenyon - 14 Aug 2006 16:41 GMT
I use CutePDF. Also, I have Paperport which will make PDFs for me if I want.
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> Hi Margaret,
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>>For general info, the latest fixes to Acrobat 7 have finally resolved the
>>problem.
<*(((>< - 14 Aug 2006 22:44 GMT
Back to my problem -- how to get rid fo the Adobe Toolbar in Word XP.
After trying Graham's suggestions -- no joy.  

In C:\Program Files\Adobe ~~~ there is a folder called \PDF Maker\.
Inside that folder there is PDFMaker.dot and a PDFMaker.xla.  There is
also a subfolder called \Office\ that has PDFMakerA.dot inside it.  

Could these folders and *.dot files have anything to do with my
inability to kill off the Adobe Toolbar?
Charles Kenyon - 14 Aug 2006 23:51 GMT
Yes.

> Back to my problem -- how to get rid fo the Adobe Toolbar in Word XP.
> After trying Graham's suggestions -- no joy.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Could these folders and *.dot files have anything to do with my
> inability to kill off the Adobe Toolbar?
<*(((>< - 15 Aug 2006 20:46 GMT
What changes can I make to the adobe dot files in the Program Files
folder in order to kill the adobe toolbar in office applications?  

Or is there a registry hack I can use to prevent them from loading?  

NOTE:  
I don't really want to be customizing the Normal.dot.  I want to
create my own Global.dot and save alll my customizations there, and
then develop other templates off of that.  So far I have not been able
to kill the Adobe toolbar.  So I can't create and save and update a
Global.dot.  I can't create and save macros or customizations.  I
can't rearrange the default toolbar so that when I click the NewDoc
icon, a new Global-based document comes up.  

I'm in my 50's, my third year starts up next week, both my computers
crashed, this is my new laptop, the dryer is broken, and the car needs
to be cleaned.  

Can you help me?

<*(((><

>Yes.
>
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>> Could these folders and *.dot files have anything to do with my
>> inability to kill off the Adobe Toolbar?
Charles Kenyon - 16 Aug 2006 15:38 GMT
Change their name to *.doc instead of *.dot.
Move them to a different folder.
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> What changes can I make to the adobe dot files in the Program Files
> folder in order to kill the adobe toolbar in office applications?
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>>> Could these folders and *.dot files have anything to do with my
>>> inability to kill off the Adobe Toolbar?
Dummy - 17 Aug 2006 14:56 GMT
Here's my solution, for what it's worth:

A. To save your customizations and macros/procedures

1. Open a new Word document.
2. Do all the customizations you want and add all the macros/procedures you
want.
3. Save the document as a template (e.g., MyNormal.dot) and save it in the
Word Startup folder.
4. Close Word.
5. Go to Windows Explorer, locate your old Normal.dot, and delete it.
6. Reopen Word. A new document will open, and all your customizations and
macros/procedures will be available.

B. To eliminate the Adobe Acrobat toolbar

I don't have Acrobat v.6, but it seems to me that the toolbar should be
listed in the list of Toolbars in the View menu. Try this:

1. Open Word.
2. Go to View > Toolbars.
3. Uncheck the entry that refers to Acrobat (with Acrobat v.7, the entry is
PDFMaker 7.0).
4. Close Word. Next time you open Word, the toolbar shouldn't be there, but
you should be able to bring it back through the View menu.

C. About Acrobat v.7

To eliminate the Acrobat toolbar and the menus, either modify the
LoadBehavior value in the registry, as suggested by Graham Mayor
(http://www.gmayor.com/lose_that_adobe_acrobat_toolbar.htm), or download the
latest Acrobat updates, as mentioned by Margaret Aldis, who says also that
the bugs have been fixed. Since I don't have broadband and I have to pay for
my "connect time," I didn't download the updates. On the other hand,
Graham's method works well. With this  method, however, you can't bring the
toolbar and menus unless you modify the LoadBehavior value again. I suppose
that Graham's method would work also for the other Office programs, but I
didn't try it.

> What changes can I make to the adobe dot files in the Program Files
> folder in order to kill the adobe toolbar in office applications?
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> >> Could these folders and *.dot files have anything to do with my
> >> inability to kill off the Adobe Toolbar?
bunty - 30 Aug 2006 20:02 GMT
Hey Dummy,

Yyou are right and I am sure that it should work...

Let's wait for his reply..

>Here's my solution, for what it's worth:
>
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>> >> Could these folders and *.dot files have anything to do with my
>> >> inability to kill off the Adobe Toolbar?

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<*(((>< - 31 Aug 2006 03:13 GMT
This absolutely will not work.  You can uncheck the toolbar tell hell
freezes over, but it loads up anyhow.  

Awaiting your responses with baited breath, I remain, yours truly,

<*(((>< ~~~

>>B. To eliminate the Adobe Acrobat toolbar
>>
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>>4. Close Word. Next time you open Word, the toolbar shouldn't be there, but
>>you should be able to bring it back through the View menu.
Suzanne S. Barnhill - 31 Aug 2006 14:43 GMT
Have you read http://www.gmayor.com/lose_that_adobe_acrobat_toolbar.htm

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> This absolutely will not work.  You can uncheck the toolbar tell hell
> freezes over, but it loads up anyhow.
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> >>4. Close Word. Next time you open Word, the toolbar shouldn't be there, but
> >>you should be able to bring it back through the View menu.
Linda  Edmondson - 16 Dec 2006 22:51 GMT
I've read it.  I don't want to add more macros, add security warnings, load
the toolbar somewhere else, or anything like that.  I want to KILL THAT
TOOLBAR.  It isnt just in Word.  Its in Outlook and everywhere.

I can't find any Adobe add ins anywhere on my computer.  When I look under
installed templated, etc., Word shows nothing.  Please help.

> Have you read http://www.gmayor.com/lose_that_adobe_acrobat_toolbar.htm
>
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> but
>> >>you should be able to bring it back through the View menu.
Graham Mayor - 17 Dec 2006 05:41 GMT
Clearly you haven't read it all! :(

If you cannot see the add-ins in the start-up folder then you presumably
have Acrobat 7 or 8 which don't use them. if you don't want the toolbars
(and if you don't, why pay so much for an Acrobat conversion tool that you
cannot use fully from Word) then I believe you get the option not to install
them in setup. The whole point of the toolbars is that they access macros
that provide the full functionality of Acrobat. The web page explains how to
control the bars or remove them from Word only.

The toolbars in Outlook are installed by a dll file and you must unregister
that for them not to appear there.

Try searching your hard drive for that dll - PDFMOutlook.dll - and
unregister it by running the following command line from Windows > Start >
Run The default path is shown in the command line below. Change the path if
it is somewhere different on your PC.

regsvr32 /u "C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat
7.0\PDFMaker\Mail\Outlook\PDFMOutlook.dll"

Restart Windows.

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Linda Edmondson wrote:

> I've read it.  I don't want to add more macros, add security
> warnings, load the toolbar somewhere else, or anything like that.  I
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>>>>> there, but you should be able to bring it back through the View
>>>>> menu.
 
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