Hi Cindy
I find that the "lines" are distracting, when you want to work
intensively in outline mode.
> What, more specifically, are you trying to do?
Basically, I would like a kind of combination between the document map
and the outliner. The document map takes up space, and I can't edit in
it. The outliner has a pretty bad visual appearence, I can't easily
add e.g. legal numbering, it doesn't use the standard symbols for
expanded/collapsed levels, when I select text from somewhere in the
middle to the end of a paragraph, it selects the whole paragraph,
which is annoying, the indentations are too wide, the way that
formating is handled is appauling: you can (by now) suppress
formatting (as nobody would want to look at the heading-sized letters
while doing outlining), but then you can't colour og otherwise
highlight some of the text, which you WANT to be able to do when
outlining.
Well, if you look at some of the dedicated outliners, such as "Java
Online Editor", you'll get a hint at what I miss. I've never used
Mcintosh, but it seems that they've had great outliners for the last
10-15 years.
What MS should understand is, that an outliner is a thinking tool, a
tool to develop concepts, and hence you need to be able to operate
with concepts at a higher level, encapsulating each concept, you work
with. Word takes much more a text-approach. They could even make it a
stand-alone product, which integrates with Word, it could also have
mind-mapping facilities etc.
Regards,
peter.
Cindy M -WordMVP- - 17 Jun 2004 12:07 GMT
Hi Peter,
> What MS should understand is, that an outliner is a thinking tool, a
> tool to develop concepts, and hence you need to be able to operate
> with concepts at a higher level, encapsulating each concept, you work
> with. Word takes much more a text-approach. They could even make it a
> stand-alone product, which integrates with Word, it could also have
> mind-mapping facilities etc.
Somewhere on microsoft.com there's a "Wish" tool, where you could
submit this. I think it would be an excellent idea :-)
Of all the things you list, the "lines" that show there's text beneath
the level are the least irritating, IMO. The selection with pargraph
thing has annoyed me for years.
Since I "grew up" with the view, long before there were outlining tools
on web pages (or even Internet webpages, for that matter), the symbols
don't really bother me.
Cindy Meister
Peter Malling - 17 Jun 2004 20:44 GMT
Hi Cindy
> Somewhere on microsoft.com there's a "Wish" tool, where you could
> submit this. I think it would be an excellent idea :-)
I tried to find the wish list on MS's site, but couldn't find it.
Regards,
Peter.
garfield-n-odie - 17 Jun 2004 20:55 GMT
See http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=114491 "How to Contact the
Microsoft Wish Program".
> Hi Cindy
>
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> Regards,
> Peter.
Cindy M -WordMVP- - 18 Jun 2004 16:58 GMT
Hi Peter,
Say, someone reminded me that OneNote might do a bit more of what
you're looking for. Have you ever seen it / tried it?
> > Somewhere on microsoft.com there's a "Wish" tool, where you could
> > submit this. I think it would be an excellent idea :-)
>
> I tried to find the wish list on MS's site, but couldn't find it.
Cindy Meister
INTER-Solutions, Switzerland
http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 8 2004)
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