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Page Numbering over Multiple Documents
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C Anderson - 18 Jan 2005 21:37 GMT I have a quality assurance manual that has been written at work but due to the size of the manual we have had to create approximately 10 different word documents. Is there anyway in which we would be able to link the documents so that the page numbering would continue automatically throughout them.
For example document 1 has say pages numbered 1 to 150 while document 2 has pages numbered 151-300. If I delete a page from document one is there anyway to set up the documents in word so that it will automatically change the page numbers.
Pat Garard - 19 Jan 2005 06:21 GMT G'Day C,
What you need is a Master Document.
You will see in these News Groups a number of warnings about Master/Sub Documents and how they become corrupt. I have been using Master/Sub documents since they became available, and I have not had one corrupted yet (clean living?). On a more practical level, Microsoft includes the feature in each new version of Word - and Microsoft actually makes a profit. (If it really does become corrupt, you could quickly recreate another.)
Open a New Document in Word; Type "Title Page"; Press Enter; Insert>Break>Page Break; Type "Contents": Press Enter; Insert>Break>Page Break;
You now have three pages with the insertion point at the top of page three.
File>Save As... (suitable Name) in the same folder as the other QA Manual documents.
View>Outline; You will see another Toolbar (Outlining). Hover the Mouse over button 4 from the right-hand end ("Insert subdocument")
Click and choose the first of the Manual parts. It will be inserted, and the cursor will move to the end. Repeat for all other parts in correct order.
Save!!
Now! The Master does not "contain" the subdocuments - it is linked to them and reads each one as needed.
Through the master document you may: Add and format your table of contents Paginate the entire Document View the entire Document Print the entire Document....
For now it is probably best that you maintain (edit) each document separately - however do note that you can edit in the Master, and the changes will be saved to each individual document.
See Word Help for "Master Documents".
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>I have a quality assurance manual that has been written at work but due to > the size of the manual we have had to create approximately 10 different [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > page > numbers. Cindy M -WordMVP- - 20 Jan 2005 21:41 GMT Hi Pat,
> I have been using Master/Sub documents since > they became available, and I have not had one corrupted > yet (clean living?). I think one key thing (that it might be well to mention when introducing people to this functionality) in keeping Master Docs from going bad is to NEVER move the sub-documents around. Generally, it's the section breaks that go bad in a Master Doc, and moving the sub-docs around can mess up the section breaks.
Another useful tip is to be sure to make back-up copies of the sub-documents, just in case something does go wrong, and the damage propagates back to the sub-document.
Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 8 2004) http://www.word.mvps.org
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:-) Pat Garard - 20 Jan 2005 23:46 GMT Hi Cindy,
You make a very good point.
For me, a Master Document is a means to an end - a convenient framework for linking the parts and itself containing nothing except Cover/Title pages, a TOC and, occasionally, an Index.
I maintain the sub-docs quite separately. The Master, to me, is a disposable item that can be re-created if necessary (rather than moving content around).
I need to remember that not everyone necessarily follows that route.
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> Hi Pat, > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail > :-) John McGhie - 21 Jan 2005 03:45 GMT Hi Pat:
I think you should have offered your advice to "keep the master as a disposable item" as your first point :-)
However, I am not sure that the original poster even NEEDS a master document. His complete document is only around 1,500 pages: easily within the capabilities of Word for a single document (Word 2003 will handle around five thousand pages in a single document without too much trouble). And he will find that all the numbering and cross-referencing functions are much easier to manage in a single document.
So what I would do is make up a series of subdocuments, one for each subject matter expert or contributing author. I would create them all from the same template and send them out to the individual authors who will create the text. I would then simply paste them all together into a single document at the end for proofing and printing.
In addition to what you and Cindy said, I would offer the following for a long and (relatively) happy life using Master Documents:
1) The master document itself should be constructed purely as a shell to hold the subdocuments. Do not put any text in it at all other than text that is automatically generated, so you can throw away the master at any time. As soon as you make the master, make a backup copy and store it someplace safe so you can instantly switch without losing anything.
2) As Cindy says, never move a subdocument within the master. Delete it and re-add it where you want it.
3) The other thing I believe is a key component is never edit a subdocument while the master is open. Open the subdocuments individually to edit them: if the master is open at the time you are never sure which version will ultimately be saved.
4) Ensure the master and all the subs are created from the same template.
5) Ensure the list and numbering parts of Tools>Autocorrect are OFF.
6) Ensure that "Automatically update styles on open" is switched off for the template, and that "Automatically Update" is switched off for all of the styles.
While I am with Pat, I have been using master documents for years without too much trouble, nearly every master document I see used by normal corporate users is corrupted, and many are so bad they lose bits of text.
A master document is a complex and fragile tool: like any other complex tool, it rewards careful and precise usage. I have 30 years practice in long document authoring: I do this stuff automatically by habit, but if you have not grown up that way, master documents won't last. I regard them as a good tool for professional wordsmiths, but not so good for normal corporate users.
Hope this helps
On 21/1/05 10:46 AM, in article eOGGIp0$EHA.1452@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl, "Pat Garard" <apgarardATbigpondDOTnetDOTau> wrote:
> Hi Cindy, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I need to remember that not everyone necessarily > follows that route.
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Pat Garard - 21 Jan 2005 05:50 GMT G'Day John,
Thank you for your observations. The original poster has an eclectic and MASTERful overall response, with some very valuable SUB-responses.
S/he has been well served by the NG, and I am sure s/he will be well pleased!
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> Hi Pat: > [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] >> I need to remember that not everyone necessarily >> follows that route. Cindy M -WordMVP- - 21 Jan 2005 17:33 GMT Hi Pat,
> Thank you for your observations. The original poster has an > eclectic and MASTERful overall response, with some very > valuable SUB-responses. > > S/he has been well served by the NG, and I am sure s/he will > be well pleased! <G> I find it interesting that the most vocal proponents of the feature all come from down-under... Maybe section breaks work differently when they're upside-down... <gdr>?
Cindy Meister
Pat Garard - 22 Jan 2005 09:21 GMT 'oroo Cindy,
We aussies take up new technology more quickly than anywhere else on earth, and we have been using Word since the good old days when men were Men, women were Women and the sheep were Nervous!!!
In this environment, Bill Gates needs to keep his pants belt firmly buckled or he won't know whether he's Arthur or Martha (aussie term for sexual confusion).
Office also! I was one of the earliest victims of the Office 97 'bigredx' fiasco - in fact, according to a Microsoft agent with the unlikely id of "ArgonFour", I was number three in the whole world!!!!
I didn't really feel very important though - Word still scrambled its documents and lost all my screen shots.
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> Hi Pat, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Cindy Meister John McGhie - 23 Jan 2005 02:17 GMT No, it's because we read upside down so we always see the answer before we get the question :-)
On 22/1/05 4:33 AM, in article VA.0000a677.010f5618@speedy, "Cindy M -WordMVP-" <C.Meister-C@hispeed.ch> wrote:
> Hi Pat, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Cindy Meister
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Jonathan West - 24 Jan 2005 17:51 GMT >I have a quality assurance manual that has been written at work but due to > the size of the manual we have had to create approximately 10 different [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > page > numbers. For an alternative to master documents, you might like to take a look at this article.
Creating a Table of Contents Spanning Multiple Documents http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/Pub0009/LPMArticle.asp?ID=148
The article deals with maintaining consecutive page numbering as well as the generation of the TOC and index.
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