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Numbering for Appendix
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meendar - 23 Aug 2006 16:03 GMT Hey,
Please help me for heading and numbering for the following document structures.
APPENDIX A SOFTWARE REQUIREMENTS TEST PROCESS
10. Process Description 10.1 Quality Issues 20. Alternative Grouping Methodologies 30. Requirement Change Analysis 30.1 Analysis Details 30.2 Determining the Tests to Re-execute
APPENDIX B TEST STRATEGIES
10. Control Channel Test Objectives 10.1 Dynamic Testing of Control Channel 10.1.1 Execution Notes 10.1.2 Implementation Notes 20. Test Objectives 20.1 General Coverage and 20.1.1 Threshold Testing Strategy
APPENDIX C ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES
10. Project Organizational Structure 20. Test Team Roles and Responsibilities 30. Test Independence
I have already used the word's default heading style. I have created new style and applied outling numbering. I inserted '0' after 1 in the number format, but when we gets numbering for the appendix B, it comes ' 40' Instead of restarting from '10'. The numbering continues for every appendix and never gets restarted from 10.
Thanks for your time
John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] - 24 Aug 2006 12:01 GMT Hi Meendar:
I use Heading styles Heading 7, 8, and 9 for Appendixes.
All 9 styles are defined as part of the same Outline, using Shauna Kelly's method (www.shaunakelly.com).
For Heading 7, Adjust the numbering to say "Appendix A". Remove the inheritance of the higher levels.
Heading 8, remove the inheritance from levels higher than 8 (you do not want the 1.1.1.1.1.1.A to come in). Also set "Restart on Higher to level 7", and Start-At to "10". That will start it off at "10" after each Appendix heading.
Don't set ANY heading in "ALL CAPITALS", it makes it extremely difficult for readers to use the book! English readers read by the shapes of phrases. If you set text in all caps, you destroy the shapes of words, slow the readers down, and destroy their comprehension.
And A.30.2 needs to move into Appendix B, it's part of functional testing not Non-functional testing :-)
Hope this helps
On 24/8/06 1:03 AM, in article 1156345398.591643.195170@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "meendar" <askjavaprogrammers@gmail.com> wrote:
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meendar - 24 Aug 2006 18:13 GMT Hi John
I can't get what you are mentioning. Can you send me the step by step procedure for doing this or shall i sent you the small document, so you can help me.
Thanks,
> Hi Meendar: > [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer > Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 Suzanne S. Barnhill - 24 Aug 2006 18:16 GMT See http://www.ShaunaKelly.com/word/numbering/NumberingAppendixes.html for instructions.
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> Hi John > [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > > Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer > > Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 meendar - 25 Aug 2006 21:30 GMT Hi Suzanne,
What shall i do if i have documents with headings extend to 6 levels in contents and 4 levels in Appendix. since I can't use Word's default heading style.
Thanks
> See http://www.ShaunaKelly.com/word/numbering/NumberingAppendixes.html for > instructions. [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] > > > Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer > > > Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 Suzanne S. Barnhill - 25 Aug 2006 21:36 GMT If you have six levels of headings, most people would argue that you have too many.
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> Hi Suzanne, > [quoted text clipped - 107 lines] > > > > Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer > > > > Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 meendar - 26 Aug 2006 00:28 GMT But Please help me to fix it.
--Meendar
> If you have six levels of headings, most people would argue that you have > too many. [quoted text clipped - 132 lines] > Writer > > > > > Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 Suzanne S. Barnhill - 26 Aug 2006 03:34 GMT There is no way to "fix" it; you can have only nine levels of numbering. Six heading/numbering levels is more than most readers can keep track of, anyway. Unless this is a government document with a prescribed format that requires this many levels, you would do better to reduce the number of heading levels.
I've looked at the file you sent, BTW, and the TOC alone is a nightmare; I shudder to think what the document must be like.
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> But Please help me to fix it. > [quoted text clipped - 135 lines] > > Writer > > > > > > Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] - 27 Aug 2006 04:03 GMT Hi Meendar:
OK, I am beginning to understand your problem. Sure, you don't know how to drive Word: that's why you came here, and that we can help with. But there's a more fundamental problem: You don't know how to do Technical Writing.
There are folks in here who can help with that, and some who can't. I have been a professional writer since 1973, and a technical writer since 1986.
Susanne's correct. The design of that document is the problem. If you want a book to succeed as a book, you should never have more than four levels of numbering and NO Appendices.
Users cannot distinguish more than four levels of numbering: they lose the thread. Users can't use a book if they keep having to flip backwards and forwards to Appendixes to look stuff up. The rule is that "if text does not belong in the main body of the text, it does not belong in the book: make a new book for each Appendix."
So: Look up "Organize a document by using outline view" in the Word Help. Make a copy of your document, and use Outline View to move the text around until you have no more than four numbered levels.
You can use the Title and Sub Title styles for your level 1 and 2 headings. This is not "great" design, but it will get you out of this problem while requiring only small changes to your structure. Levels 1 and 2 do not need to be numbered (and numbering them does not add any information useful to the reader).
So your Subheadings (one below Chapter level) become Heading 1's. You can then use Heading 5 for your Appendix headings and everything will work fine.
Let me let you down gently here: Our purpose in here is to provide you with "information". We are not here to "do it for you". We have our own work to do each day :-) So no, you can't send me a document. No, I won't send you a sample :-) If you want me to do it for you, send me a cheque: this is what I do for a living :-)
Now there's another important thing you need to understand. You could wait several years to learn this, but I may as well save you some time and tell you now: We have made several "suggestions" in this thread for what you may want to do. Now, there's a funny thing about suggestions: if you follow the suggestion, you will get the result we promised. If you choose not to follow the selections, you will NOT get the result.
So feel free to decide not to follow the suggestions we give you. But please understand that you won't get your result until you do follow the suggestions.
You may also wish to reflect on the question "Why did we not suggest ANYTHING ELSE?" Lemme save you some time here too: that's because our experience of doing this for DECADES tells us that other things won't work
:-) Let me review the things that might be going wrong here:
1) You have too many levels in your book. The cure to that is to move stuff around so that you DON'T have more than four levels. The book is not useable if it has more than that, so sit down now and fix it.
2) I don't think you're using Shauna Kelly's method for defining for numbering. If you're not, it won't work... So go back to Shauna's web page, study the method, and implement your styles exactly that way.
3) I think you may still have all your Heading styles "based on" Normal. You can't do that. Base Heading 1 on "no style" and the rest on the one above. Go back and fix that now, else your numbering will not work. Ever.
4) I suspect you have numbering applied to your TOC styles. You can't do that. The numbering will be imported to the TOC styles as text, drawn from the Heading styles. Remove the numbering from your TOC styles or you will have two sets.
5) I think you may have more than one list template involved with your Heading numbering. Go back to Shauna's method, and define the styles EXACTLY the way she suggests.
6) Never experiment on your audience, never experiment with your live document. Make a copy of some of your text, and practice on that until you get it right. You have three or four tries to get numbering right in the average Word document. After that, the numbering table corrupts and the numbering stops responding to changes. You then have to Maggie the document and start again.
Hope this helps
On 26/8/06 6:30 AM, in article 1156537830.730600.254260@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com, "meendar" <askjavaprogrammers@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Suzanne, > [quoted text clipped - 107 lines] >>>> Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer >>>> Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
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meendar - 28 Aug 2006 22:01 GMT Hi John & suzanne!
// But
> there's a more fundamental problem: You don't know how to do Technical > Writing. Susanne's correct. The design of that document is the problem. //
It is a prebuilt document available only in pdf (from interleaf) , i have been assigned to convert it to word. I should not change the structure of the document. But i understand what do you mean. I hope i have followed all you ways.
// So no, you can't send me a document. No, I won't send you
> a sample :-) If you want me to do it for you, send me a cheque: this is > what I do for a living :-) // I understand, BTW i really enjoyed the words. You are right!
Thanks a lot for all your suggestions, I will keep learn to get more stuff on word. Thanks for your time!.
Regards, Meendar
John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] எழுதிய:
> Hi Meendar: > [quoted text clipped - 207 lines] > Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer > Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410 John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh] - 31 Aug 2006 12:47 GMT Hi Meendar:
On 29/8/06 7:01 AM, in article 1156798911.740310.23310@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, "meendar" <askjavaprogrammers@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is a prebuilt document available only in pdf (from interleaf) Ahhhh.... That explains it :-) Yes, Interleaf will nest "forever" (until it runs out of memory and crashes...). Word will not. And authors, of course, SHOULD not :-)
> // So no, you can't send me a document. No, I won't send you >> a sample :-) If you want me to do it for you, send me a cheque: this is >> what I do for a living :-) // > > I understand, BTW i really enjoyed the words. You are right! Yeah, sorry about that. You have a hell of a problem there, and only a lot of fiddling work will fix it.
> Thanks a lot for all your suggestions, I will keep learn to get more > stuff on word. Keep coming back here: we're always happy to tell you how we would solve these issues. I just draw the line short of doing it *for* you :-)
Cheers
> Thanks for your time!. > [quoted text clipped - 214 lines] >> Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer >> Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
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Stefan Blom - 24 Aug 2006 12:03 GMT You can use lower-level headings for appendix numbering. For example, use Heading 6 for "APPENDIX A" paragraphs and Heading 7 for your "10. Process Description" type of headings in the appendix. For level 6 (Heading 6), set the numbering not to restart, for level 7 (Heading 7), set the numbering to restart after level 6. See http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numbering/NumberingAppendixes.html.
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