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Karitaat - 25 Oct 2006 14:58 GMT

Hi,

I have used Shauna Kelly's 'cookbook' to set up List Bullet styles.
And, in the same way, set up List Number styles.

I understand her warning NOT to use the toolbar bullet button.
However my colleagues WILL use it, so I have convinced the Bullets and
Numbering buttons to work with a Bulleted/Numbered List.
This nearly emulates the 'normal' behaviour of Word... except for one
point.

Let's say I start a numbered list:
1. One <Style: List Number>
1.1 Two <Style: List Number 2>
1.2 Three <Style: List Number 2>

Hitting the Enter twice after 'Three' will stop the numbering, but
leave me in Style "List Number 2"

Is there a way to (automatically) return to e.g. wdStyleBodyText?

regards,
peter

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Stefan Blom - 25 Oct 2006 15:07 GMT

Create a toolbar for the template with buttons to apply the proper
style. That will make it easier for your colleagues.

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Karitaat - 25 Oct 2006 16:06 GMT

Stefan,

Thank you for your quick response.

Yes: I offer my colleagues such a Template with a 'Normal' button.
But the whole idea behind that template is that I have programmed Word
to click some buttons, in stead of asking my colleagues to click them.

Now: is there a way to automatically return to e.g. wdStyleBodyText?

regards,
peter

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Stefan Blom - 26 Oct 2006 09:38 GMT

Well, the easiest method would be to just change the caption of that
button to "Stop numbering" or something similar.

Of course, this doesn't take care of cases where people press Enter
twice. You could ask in a programming newsgroup, such as
microsoft.public.word.vba.general, if there is a way to intercept that
action.

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Karitaat - 26 Oct 2006 09:42 GMT

Numerici,

to paraphrase Paul Simon:

The problem is all inside your head
She said to me
The answer is easy if you
Take it logically
I'd like to help you in your struggle
To be free
There must be fifty ways
To leave your numbers

I misunderstood...

If you start a numbered or bulleted list in the 'normal' way (that is:
through both standard buttons) Word uses the same Style as the
Paragraph immediately preceeding the list.
The list has that same Style, with -- as a property -- a bullet/number.
If you quit the list (by hitting Enter twice) Word simply removes that
'property'.
You can also quit the list by clicking on the button: in that case Word
removes the 'property' Bullet
(but, strangely, only the indent of Level 1; NOT the indent of higher
Levels).

Now: in the Shauna Kelly setup (that I use) the numberingscheme depends
on List Styles. I figure that the only way to see if an Enter is given
on an empty paragraph with Style 'List Number ?' or 'List Bullet ?'
would be setting up an Event. And that is a price I do not want to pay.
But.. my modified 'Bullet' and 'Numbering' buttons behave as a toggle.
List On/Off.

Easy: you start a Bulleted list with a Button, you end it with that
button.
Now that is something that I can tell my colleagues.

Of course they forget, and keep on typing in Style 'List Bullet 3'
forever. My 'garbage collection' needs to identify and gently repair
those Paragraphs.

Like the poets sing:

Last thing I remember I was running for the door
I had to find the passage back to the place I was before
"Relax," said the night man, "We are programmed to receive
You can check out any time you like
But you can never leave"

regards,
peter

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Stefan Blom - 30 Oct 2006 10:33 GMT

You can even intercept the FormatNumberDefault and FormatBulletDefault
commands and make them toggle between a properly numbered (bulleted)
style and, say, Body Text.

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Karitaat - 30 Oct 2006 11:00 GMT

Stefan,

Agreed... 'my' buttons (that intercept FormatNumberDefault and
FormatBulletDefault) toggle between their ListNumbers and BodyText.
This means that my colleagues just have to click the respective button
again, to poperly end the List (and come in BodyText).

But: I was trying to find a way to intercept <Enter><Enter>.
I came to the conclusion: I shouldn't.

Thanks for coming back to me.

regards,
peter

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> You can even intercept the FormatNumberDefault and FormatBulletDefault
> commands and make them toggle between a properly numbered (bulleted)
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Stefan Blom - 30 Oct 2006 11:55 GMT

As I wrote, you could perhaps get assistance with the Enter key in a
programming newsgroup, but, if it is even possible, you may not find
it worth the trouble.

However, in my previous message I was referring to creating
sub-routines named "FormatNumberDefault" and "FormatBulletDefault" in
an add-in; that way, you wouldn't even have to use custom toolbar
buttons. Instead, Word would run your code whenever trying to invoke
the built-in commands. Maybe you're already aware of this technique.
If not, you can find (general) information on it in the article at
http://word.mvps.org/faqs/macrosvba/InterceptSavePrint.htm.

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Karitaat - 30 Oct 2006 12:39 GMT

Stefan,

Thank you for thinking with me.

I realise I have not been completely clear.
Yes: I have 'hijacked' the Word Bullets- and Numbering-buttons through
adding macro's called "FormatNumberDefault" and "FormatBulletDefault"
to my Template.
This is indeed the easiest way to coerce the user to the behaviour I
want.

Now: changing the behaviour of <Enter><Enter> will (in my mind) involve
setting up an Event.
And I don't like to do that for this case.

The way I have now set it up user can (properly) quit the
List-bullets/numbers by:
1) pressing the 'hijacked' Word button Bullets/Numbering on an empty
paragraph
2) pressing a special (custom) 'Normal' button that applies
wdStyleBodyText
Yes: it takes one mouseclick.

<Enter><Enter> will leave him in a List-style.
Just like <Enter><Enter> in a non-'hijacked' situation will leave him
in the Style of the previous Bullet/Number (however: that would be
BodyText).

Other than Events I don't think there is a way to tweak that.
So: I document it, improve my garbage-collection and hope for the best.

regards,
peter

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> As I wrote, you could perhaps get assistance with the Enter key in a
> programming newsgroup, but, if it is even possible, you may not find
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Stefan Blom - 30 Oct 2006 15:04 GMT

Well, I justed wanted to make sure that we were talking about the same
thing.

I'm glad you've found a solution that works for your.

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Jonathan West - 21 Dec 2006 14:53 GMT

> Stefan,
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> in the Style of the previous Bullet/Number (however: that would be
> BodyText).

This is a serious shortcoming in Word.

> Other than Events I don't think there is a way to tweak that.
> So: I document it, improve my garbage-collection and hope for the best.

Even events are not very good at dealing with this. The
WindowSelectionChange event is the nearest available event, and it doesn't
really meet the need, because it doesn't fine when you actually press Enter
or type text in. It only fires when you move the cursor using the arrow keys
or the mouse. There is no KeyPress event in Word, at least not when the
focus is on a document editing window.

You can't use the Tools Customize dialog to assign a macro to the Enter key,
though you can do this through VBA by adding an item to the KeyBindings
collection. However, if you have AutoText entries, and you type in part of
an Autotext entry name, you will see a tooltip asking you to press Enter in
order to insert the AutoText. But if you have assigned a macro to the Enter
key, the macro is run instead of the Autotext entry being inserted, which
will severely flummox your users.

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