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MS Office Forum / Word / Numbering / March 2004never ending problems
No matter how many times I change it, I find that my headings always have indentation after text (Paragraph/Indents and Spacing/Indentation After Text). I want the value always to be set to 0. I have done so, gone into Tools/Templates and Add-Ins/Organizer and copied them over to Normal.Dot. I have followed Shauna Kelly's great instructions, to no avail. Any help will be greatly appreciated.  SignatureCheers, Tom G. Change the setting in the Format | Style | Modify: Format: Paragraph dialog, and check the box for "Add to template." -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) SignatureWords into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > No matter how many times I change it, I find that my headings always have > indentation after text (Paragraph/Indents and Spacing/Indentation After [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Cheers, > Tom G. I did this and it still does not stick. > Change the setting in the Format | Style | Modify: Format: Paragraph dialog, > and check the box for "Add to template." [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Cheers, > > Tom G. Are we talking about Numbered headings here? If so, you must set the indent from Numbering (working from top level style, as Shauna explains), not from the Paragraph settings. The numbering indent will override the paragraph indent - not necessarily immediately, but will reset on various events. SignatureMargaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org > I did this and it still does not stick. > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > > Cheers, > > > Tom G. No, best I can figure, he's not talking about indents at all but Spacing After -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) SignatureWords into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > Are we talking about Numbered headings here? If so, you must set the indent > from Numbering (working from top level style, as Shauna explains), not from [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > > > Cheers, > > > > Tom G. I am talking about numbered headings. I have faithfully follwed Shauna's guidelines. To change them, I must be in the document view, and click on Styles and Formatting/Modify/select Automatically Update & Add to Template/Paragraph/Indentation/After Text. I set this to 0, and must do it for each heading (1-9). I then go into the Organizer (Tools/Templates and Add-Ins/Organizer) and copy from my opened document (which I just corrected (see above) and copy the headings to normal.dot. When I go into a new document, I do not see these corrected values. Thanks, Tom > Are we talking about Numbered headings here? If so, you must set the indent > from Numbering (working from top level style, as Shauna explains), not from [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > > > Cheers, > > > > Tom G. Hi Tom Try the following: Don't check Automatically Update (that will change styles whenever you make any direct formatting change). Since you are checking 'Add to Template' in a document attached to Normal.dot, it shouldn't be necessary to use the Organizer. Add to Template writes the style definition back to the template. However, you might find with numbered styles that this is where the problems lie - you may find it best to open Normal.dot, make the changes there, and save. If you do use the Organizer, then try copying all the styles together 3 times. SignatureMargaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org > I am talking about numbered headings. I have faithfully follwed Shauna's > guidelines. [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Tom G. Margaret, Why 3 times? By the way, I did try to modify normal.dot. It helped with the indentation, but also screwed up the entire headings. I'm going to redo Shauna's guidelines, this time on normal.dot. Maybe that will help. Tom > Hi Tom > [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Tom G. Three times because when copying linked styles using the Organizer the linking breaks down. Copying them three times works. Two times might, you are welcome to give it a try. SignatureCharles Kenyon See the MVP FAQ: <URL: http://www.mvps.org/word/> which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. > Margaret, > Why 3 times? [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > Tom G. The path you give, however, has nothing to do with numbering. Modify: Format: Paragraph applies only to paragraph formatting, and the only setting in the Format Paragraph dialog that contains the word "After" is the Spacing After setting. If you're trying to set up numbering, then you need to be going to Format: Numbering, but I don't see any "Indentation/After Text" setting in that dialog, either. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) SignatureWords into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > I am talking about numbered headings. I have faithfully follwed Shauna's > guidelines. [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Tom G. I don't completely understand this comment, I am getting to this path while modifying a style heading. > The path you give, however, has nothing to do with numbering. Modify: > Format: Paragraph applies only to paragraph formatting, and the only setting [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Tom G. Okay, you're modifying a heading style. So you go to Format | Style and click Modify. In the Modify Style dialog there is a Format button. If you click that you get a menu that includes Paragraph and Numbering. Which one are you choosing in order to get the dialog in which you are changing the "Indentation/After Text" setting? -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) SignatureWords into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > I don't completely understand this comment, I am getting to this path while > modifying a style heading. [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > Tom G. Space after is paragraph formatting (which is a part of paragraph style setup). It doesn't show up in the numbering dialogs. SignatureCharles Kenyon See the MVP FAQ: <URL: http://www.mvps.org/word/> which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. > I don't completely understand this comment, I am getting to this path while > modifying a style heading. [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > Tom G. Thanks to all for your help. True, I am changing Paragraph and not Numbering. I see now. The reason I am doing this is that the right margin of my numbered headings gets smaller as I go to higher numbered headings. I want them always to be on the right-most margin. The only place I saw to fix that was under Paragraph. But perhaps there is a better way? Tom > Space after is paragraph formatting (which is a part of paragraph style > setup). It doesn't show up in the numbering dialogs. [quoted text clipped - 97 lines] > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Tom G. There is, indeed, a better way. Go back and re-read <URL: http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numbering/OutlineNumbering.html>. This is based on ... Word's Numbering Explained <URL: http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Numbering/WordsNumberingExplained.htm>. You may want to read that as well. And then... How to Create a Template, Part II <URL: http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Customization/CreateATemplatePart2.htm> Seven Laws of Outline Numbering <URL: http://www.microsystems.com/fra_sevenlawsofoutlinenumbering.htm> The following are some discussions on the Microsoft newsgroups on numbering: Nightmare on ListNumbering Street <URL: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&th=9e790fa7ed2886b3,18&ic=1> The Joy of Lists <URL: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&th=811287ebce8fc203,15&ic=1> Relinking ListTemplates <URL: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&th=2350746054c838e,12&ic=1> Outline numbering: restart doesn't restart <URL: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&ic=1&th=2168093ed1c9eaed,6&se ekm=muq2hs47vabsq381ngrm7fdmqj4s2e4ab2@4ax.com#p> Format Doesn't "Hold" <URL: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&ic=1&th=3a351382011420bf,5&se ekm=RXz39CAcCC$4Iwap@syntagma.demon.co.uk#p> (above list compiled by Dave Rado, Word MVP) ListNumbering Street Revisited <URL: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&safe=off&th=57df77857e4993ce> See the latest numbering discussion I've seen, especially post #4 which contains Dave Rado's concise instructions for setting up heading numbering. <URL: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&ic=1&th=bce07d7714769f5c> I believe the indent (distance from the margin and between the number and the text) is governed by the numbering list template, not in the heading style. SignatureCharles Kenyon See the MVP FAQ: <URL: http://www.mvps.org/word/> which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. > Thanks to all for your help. > [quoted text clipped - 116 lines] > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > Tom G. |
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