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MS Office Forum / Word / Page Layout / November 2003Styles & Formatting ("Text border" properties)
How can you set the spacing between the border and the text object when using the "Text border" feature? Background: Styles & Formatting To modify a style's "Border" property, one can click on the "Format" button (located in the lower left corner of the "Modify Style" dialog box). This will open a "Borders and Shading" dialog box. After specifying a border's parameters (Style, Color, Width, etc.), the "Apply to" option (located in lower right corner of the "Borders and Shading" dialog box) offers only the single option "Paragraphs" in the drop-down list box. Please note that the "Text" option is not available. Furthermore, clicking on the "Options" button (located in lower right corner of the same dialog box) will open a "Borders and Shading Options" dialog box. This allows the distance from the text to any edge of the border (Top, Bottom, Left & Right) to be specified. Workaround: The "Styles & Formatting" feature allows one to specify a "Style's" properties from a text selection (using the "Update to Match Selection" option). By selecting a text object with a "text border" property, a "Style" with a "text border" will be created. Therefore, one of the limitations in the "Styles & Formatting" dialog box (as described above) can be circumvented. However, the "Borders and Shading Options" dialog box still does not allow one to specify the distance from the text to any edge of the border (Top, Bottom, Left & Right) as it does for paragraph borders. Dilemma: Can one create a Style with a "Text Border" without employing the "Update to Match Selection" option as described above in the "Workaround" section? How can one specify the spacing between a text object and a border when using the "Text border" as employed in a Style? Borders are applied to paragraphs, and you click on the Options button to set the distance from text. If you have a text box, you add the border as a "line" on the Lines and Colors tab of the Format Text Box dialog. The distance from text inside the text box is set by the internal margin on the Text Box tab. The distance from text outside the text box is set on the Layout tab (Advanced | Text Wrapping). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word)  SignatureWords into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > How can you set the spacing between the border and the > text object when using the "Text border" feature? [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > object and a border when using the "Text border" as > employed in a Style? Suzanne, Thank you for your help. In this case, however, I was not referring to Text Boxes but rather Borders for text objects. For an example, please... 1. select some text in a Word document 2. select Format | Borders and Shading 3. select Box 4. select "Text" in the "Apply to" option (located in lower right corner) 5. click OK Hopefully, the questions in my original posting will now make more sense. Thanks again for taking the time to respond. >Borders are applied to paragraphs, and you click on the Options button to >set the distance from text. If you have a text box, you add the border as a >"line" on the Lines and Colors tab of the Format Text Box dialog. The >distance from text inside the text box is set by the internal margin on the >Text Box tab. The distance from text outside the text box is set on the >Layout tab (Advanced | Text Wrapping). >> How can you set the spacing between the border and the >> text object when using the "Text border" feature? [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >> object and a border when using the "Text border" as >> employed in a Style? If you're talking about applying a border to "Text," you have no choice. This is not really a border in the same sense as the paragraph borders; it is a convenient way to apply Word's EQ \x (box) field. If you use the field itself, you can at least (by using switches) choose the sides you want the border to appear on (any combination of top, bottom, left, and/or right), but you still can't change the distance from text. I've never tried to create a style (paragraph or character) with a text border, but if MS says it can't be done, I'd assume that was correct. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) SignatureWords into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > Suzanne, > [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > >> object and a border when using the "Text border" as > >> employed in a Style? Suzanne, Thank you for your help. I would like to correct a couple of points: 1. Microsoft has not responded to my question. If they do, I would hope that they would at least know that one *CAN* apply a border to a text object by use of a Style. 2. Applying a border to "Text Objects" using Styles *IS* possible. Please try the quick and dirty workaround that I discovered by accident (described in my original posting). Thanks again for taking the time to respond. >If you're talking about applying a border to "Text," you have no choice. >This is not really a border in the same sense as the paragraph borders; it [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Suzanne S. Barnhill >Microsoft MVP (Word) >> Suzanne, >> [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] >> >> object and a border when using the "Text border" as >> >> employed in a Style? I thought you were quoting Word's Help or a KB article. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) SignatureWords into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > Suzanne, > [quoted text clipped - 130 lines] > as > >> >> employed in a Style? Though I hate to admit it, all of the gibberish in my original posting was purely of my own creation. I only wish I could claim that English is my second language (it's not). >I thought you were quoting Word's Help or a KB article. >Suzanne S. Barnhill >Microsoft MVP (Word) >> Suzanne, >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> >Suzanne S. Barnhill >> >Microsoft MVP (Word) Suzanne, Thank you mentioning the EQ \X option. Though it does not solve my problem, I discovered that this approach affords a greater distance between the text and the border than applying a border to a text object. If you haven't compared it, you can make the following test: Insert a field with the following parameters: {EQ \X \to \bo \le \ri (This is a test)} Immediately below this, enter the same text string ("This is a test") and then apply a "border" around it using: Format | Borders and Shading | Box | Apply to: | Text I *much* prefer the appearance of the former approach. As my luck would have it, I cannot employ this novel technique via a "style" like I can using the text boarder approach (i.e., in the same manner that I am able to use the text border workaround described in my original posting). In any case, I learned something new about Microsoft Word. Thanks again. >Word's EQ \x (box) field [...] but you still can't >change the distance from text. >Suzanne S. Barnhill >Microsoft MVP (Word) >> Suzanne, >> [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] >> >> object and a border when using the "Text border" as >> >> employed in a Style? Note that the \to \bo \le \ri switches are not necessary. If you omit all switches, the default is a border on all four sides. You use the switches only when you want borders on just selected sides. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) SignatureWords into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > Suzanne, > [quoted text clipped - 133 lines] > as > >> >> employed in a Style? That makes sense. Thanks! >Note that the \to \bo \le \ri switches are not necessary. If you omit all >switches, the default is a border on all four sides. You use the switches >only when you want borders on just selected sides. >Suzanne S. Barnhill >Microsoft MVP (Word) >> anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com wrote in message >> news:895f01c3b580$b36fb630$a601280a@phx.gbl... >> Suzanne, >> >> Thank you mentioning the EQ \X option. Though >> it does not solve my problem, I discovered that >> this approach affords a greater distance between >> the text and the border than applying a border >> to a text object. >> >> If you haven't compared it, you can make the >> following test: >> >> Insert a field with the following parameters: >> >> {EQ \X \to \bo \le \ri (This is a test)} >> >> Immediately below this, enter the same text >> string ("This is a test") and then apply a >> "border" around it using: >> >> Format | Borders and Shading | Box | Apply to: | Text >> >> I *much* prefer the appearance of the former >> approach. >> >> As my luck would have it, I cannot employ this >> novel technique via a "style" like I can using >> the text boarder approach (i.e., in the same >> manner that I am able to use the text border >> workaround described in my original posting). >> >> In any case, I learned something new about >> Microsoft Word. >> >> Thanks again. >> >Word's EQ \x (box) field [...] but you still can't >> >change the distance from text. >> >Suzanne S. Barnhill >> >Microsoft MVP (Word) |
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