MS Office Forum / Word / Page Layout / February 2004
Automatic tab generation.
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Dylan56 - 04 Feb 2004 18:57 GMT I don't remember what this is called, but in WP it's so easy yet I can't seem to figure out how to do this in Word: I need multiple tab stops to occur at 0.25" intervals. I don't want to have to click these tabs in one by one, but in the FORMAT > TAB dialogue box, I can't seem to get it to generate tabs by putting 0.25 in the "Default tab stops" area. I've been messing around with this for the last 5 minutes but I'm obviously doing something wrong.
Can someone tell me how to get it to dump tab stops at 0.25" markers on the ruler without having to click each tab stop on the ruler itself (time-consumig and highly inaccurate, to boot!).
Thank you so much!
Jezebel - 04 Feb 2004 19:41 GMT The default tab does not insert tab stops. It just means that if you insert a tab, in the absence of any explicitly inserted tab stops, your text will move to the nearest multiple of the default tab value.
There is not mechanism for inserting a heap of tab stops automatically. You'll need to do it once by hand. Make it part of a style, then call up the style as needed. Use the tab dialog rather than just dragging on the ruler, to get the placement accurate.
Why do WP users like having a squillion tab stops? What sort of text is tabulated at quarter inch intervals? I've noticed this on WP documents I've been sent in the past, and removing them is always one of the first things I do.
> I don't remember what this is called, but in WP it's so > easy yet I can't seem to figure out how to do this in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Thank you so much! Suzanne S. Barnhill - 04 Feb 2004 22:05 GMT I agree. The more you avoid the built-in tab stops and use custom ones, the less likely your document is to turn to garbage when reformatted for a different printer (or font).
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> The default tab does not insert tab stops. It just means that if you insert > a tab, in the absence of any explicitly inserted tab stops, your text will [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > > > Thank you so much! Dylan56 - 05 Feb 2004 18:21 GMT In Word, yes, I agree with this, too. Sometimes it's unavoidable, though.
Thanks!
>-----Original Message----- >I agree. The more you avoid the built-in tab stops and use custom ones, the [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > >. Dylan56 - 05 Feb 2004 18:20 GMT The reason WP is so powerful is that it's codes-driven (vs styles-); that allows for an extremely degree of precision not possible in Word. (Believe me, I've tried, and can manage it in Word, but with a lot of fuss.) As such, one of the things one can do is in one step, set up tab stops at 1/4 inch intervals, say, which is handy for things like legal documents with lots of sub-paragraphs styles without messing with the styles as much or when there is small text, etc. I particularly need this in a doct here at the office that requires just such a thing, frequent small intervals due to a lot of data and small pt size. Here in Canada, you should see what happens to paragraphs with lots of that type of sub-paragraphing, if I can call it that, but when side-by-side in bilingual memos. Pain in the neck! <ha ha>
So something else I have to do a workaround in Word for. That's okay, getting used to it. I'll try the technique you mention.
Thank you very much! Appreciate the tip.
>-----Original Message----- >The default tab does not insert tab stops. It just means that if you insert [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >. Jezebel - 05 Feb 2004 21:11 GMT You are confusing methods with objectives. Word and WP have different ways of doing things. Your objective is to achieve multiple indent levels: in WP you do this by setting large numbers of tab stops. As a WP user coming to Word you, you should be asking how Word achieves this objective, not how to get Word to mimic WP's method.
The reason Word is so much more powerful than WP is that it is not code-driven. And if you're still having trouble with precision, just ask. The answers are there to find. I'm no particular advocate of MS products, but your prejudice is very obviously getting on your way here.
> The reason WP is so powerful is that it's codes-driven (vs > styles-); that allows for an extremely degree of precision [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > > >. Dylan56 - 14 Feb 2004 15:03 GMT >You are confusing methods with objectives. Word and WP have different ways >of doing things. Your objective is to achieve multiple indent levels: in WP [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >The answers are there to find. I'm no particular advocate of MS products, >but your prejudice is very obviously getting on your way here. Sorry, we won't even go there. It's the other way around, just like an automatic could never compete with a standard.
But here, in this msg, we're talking about preferences. That's a different issue altogether so we won't go there. In my case, I prefer speed, accuracy and power. We're working on manuals and Word is a program that tells one what _it_ wants to do and you have to be an advanced processor to wrest control away from Word. If its styles were reliable, I'd lean more in favour of it, but there are at last count, and ONLY WHAT I HAVE COME ACROSS, over half-a-dozen things Word _cannot_ do that Word can.
Nope. Word YET doesn't have a leg to stand on. There are only TWO things that it has any advantage over WP:
- due to much better marketing practices, whatever those might have been, Word is universally available so everyone can share documents
- for the _absolute_ beginner, Word pablum-like approach is much better. For a person just starting out, this is a great advantage. but the instant you go beyond the basics is where Word is a serious problem.
I'll lick it yet. I have, at home, over 600 programs that I use to one degree or other. I know the components of all 3 major commercial suites and I write my own databases in Filemaker Pro, etc., etc.
Word is just not a well-coded program, that's it, that's all.
But I absolutely COULD NOT live without Outlook, Excel and Powerpoint. They are aweseome! It's just Word that's the weak link in the chain. I know, I work in the field a lot. No-one has used Word to the degree my current job has so I'm learning new aspects of it that I was happy to not know up till now <lol>. Word 2000 has certainly come a long way and I have it at home. I do use it for certain things over WP, just not for complex docts as Word just doesn't do the job WP does.
Thanks. Have a great day everyone.
Suzanne S. Barnhill - 05 Feb 2004 23:54 GMT You can set default tab stops at 1/4" intervals in Word (Format | Paragraph), but as soon as you set a custom tab stop, all the default tab stops before it are erased.
-- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word)
 Signature Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
> The reason WP is so powerful is that it's codes-driven (vs > styles-); that allows for an extremely degree of precision [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > > >. Dylan56 - 14 Feb 2004 15:04 GMT >You can set default tab stops at 1/4" intervals in Word (Format | >Paragraph), but as soon as you set a custom tab stop, all the default tab >stops before it are erased. Thank you.
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