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CBarryJ - 14 Feb 2004 11:11 GMT

When opening or creating a document in Word it invariably opens in "Page Layout" view rather than defaulting to "Normal" which is what I want. This happens even if document has been saved in "normal" and applies to any documetn I open even if it is very old

The document also appears "Excell-like" as a piece of text in the corner of a massive page.

Print preview is accurate

Must have inadvertently pressed a "hot key" I think as have been using the programme for years

Help

Thanks

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Graham Mayor - 14 Feb 2004 13:13 GMT

See if http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customization/CustomizeNormalTemplate.htm
helps

It appears that you may have two minor issues here relating to the opening
view. Views should retain the settings that were visible when you saved the
document, or in the case of new documents, the view saved in the template.

You can force the issue with a couple of macros -

Sub Autonew()
With ActiveWindow.View
.Type = wdNormalView
.Zoom.Percentage = 100
End With
End Sub

Sub AutoOpen()
ActiveWindow.Caption = ActiveDocument.FullName
With ActiveWindow.View
.Type = wdNormalView
.Zoom.Percentage = 100
End With
End Sub

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> When opening or creating a document in Word it invariably opens in
> "Page Layout" view rather than defaulting to "Normal" which is what I
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CBarryJ - 14 Feb 2004 17:46 GMT

My thanks to Graham but I regret the actions suggested in the reference you gave have been only partially successful
1) for new documents the "normal" view they default to is not really normal as for example an A4 document just appears as part of a very large pag
2) creating an envelope does not offer WYSIWYG but it appears as a section with a section break at the start of the document/letter and not aligned correctly. Again going to Page preview all is fine as is printing
3) opening documents saved sometime ago does not work - they open with a different "view" an envelope shown as above - almost as though something is "recoding everything
4) Sadly my knowledge does not run to doing the macro changes you suggested

All other ideas very welcome.

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Graham Mayor - 15 Feb 2004 06:52 GMT

As Suzanne has identified elsewhere in this thread, it appears that you want
Page Layout view and not Normal view. Normal is a particular draft view,
whereas Page layout is more of a wysiwyg view.

Microsoft changed the description of the page layout view to print layout
view after Word 97 - and unfortunately I can't remember if the vba command
changed also. Bottom line is you need to set the correct view and zoom
setting for your purposes and ensure that these settings are saved in
normal.dot - see http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/SaveViewAndZoom.htm

I forgot to include the link http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm
which explains how to use macro listings from newsgroups, but the macro I
posted will select normal view whereas it needs to be changed to show page
layout. The revised code should be:

Sub Autonew()
With ActiveWindow.View
.Type = wdPrintView
.Zoom.Percentage = 100
End With
End Sub

Sub AutoOpen()
ActiveWindow.Caption = ActiveDocument.FullName
With ActiveWindow.View
.Type = wdPrintView
.Zoom.Percentage = 100
End With
End Sub

Also on my web site you will find a specific envelope template
http://www.gmayor.com/downloads.htm#AirmailTemplate that you may find useful
(you can remove the graphic) or you could investigate
http://www.gmayor.com/changing_envelope_layout.htm which explains how to
configure envelopes.

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> My thanks to Graham but I regret the actions suggested in the
> reference you gave have been only partially successful. 1) for new
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Suzanne S. Barnhill - 14 Feb 2004 15:27 GMT

In Word 97 and above, even if you press Save, Word will not really save the
document unless it has "changed." So if you just open a document, change the
view, and "save" it, the new view is not saved. What you have to do is
change the view, then make a "phantom edit" such as pressing Spacebar, then
Backspace (anything to enable the Undo button), then save.

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Microsoft MVP (Word)

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> When opening or creating a document in Word it invariably opens in "Page Layout" view rather than defaulting to "Normal" which is what I want. This

happens even if document has been saved in "normal" and applies to any
documetn I open even if it is very old.

> The document also appears "Excell-like" as a piece of text in the corner of a massive page.
>
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>
> Thanks

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CBarryJ - 14 Feb 2004 17:56 GMT

My thanks to Suzanne.

I had spotted this "trick" in your reference papers.

I think I may have posed the question badly.

How do I reinstate a "normal" view which does not present my document as a small part of an enormous page (making layout etc very difficult without constant switching between preview and the working sheet? Similarly how do I get envelopes to show as such and not a section?

Why should it be that previously saved documents when opened now have the same faults?

Thanks in advance.

----- Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote: -----

In Word 97 and above, even if you press Save, Word will not really save the
document unless it has "changed." So if you just open a document, change the
view, and "save" it, the new view is not saved. What you have to do is
change the view, then make a "phantom edit" such as pressing Spacebar, then
Backspace (anything to enable the Undo button), then save.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
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"CBarryJ" <barry(deletethis)@jennyandbarry.com> wrote in message
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> When opening or creating a document in Word it invariably opens in "Page
Layout" view rather than defaulting to "Normal" which is what I want. This
happens even if document has been saved in "normal" and applies to any
documetn I open even if it is very old.
>> The document also appears "Excell-like" as a piece of text in the corner
of a massive page.
>> Print preview is accurate.
>>> Must have inadvertently pressed a "hot key" I think as have been using the
programme for years.
>> Help!
>> Thanks

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Suzanne S. Barnhill - 14 Feb 2004 23:27 GMT

I suspect that part of the problem (and the reason Graham's macro didn't
work) is that what you were asking for was a "normal" view, not Normal view.
From your description it sounds as if Normal view was what you had and Print
Layout what you were looking for.

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Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)

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> My thanks to Suzanne.
>
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> How do I reinstate a "normal" view which does not present my document as a small part of an enormous page (making layout etc very difficult without

constant switching between preview and the working sheet? Similarly how do I
get envelopes to show as such and not a section?

> Why should it be that previously saved documents when opened now have the same faults?
>
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> >> Help!
> >> Thanks

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cbarryj - 14 Feb 2004 18:31 GMT

PROBLEM SOLVED - MY THANKS TO SUZANNE AND GRAHAM
----- CBarryJ wrote: -----

When opening or creating a document in Word it invariably opens in "Page Layout" view rather than defaulting to "Normal" which is what I want. This happens even if document has been saved in "normal" and applies to any documetn I open even if it is very old.

The document also appears "Excell-like" as a piece of text in the corner of a massive page.

Print preview is accurate.

Must have inadvertently pressed a "hot key" I think as have been using the programme for years.

Help!

Thanks

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