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lineD - 28 Sep 2004 23:49 GMT

Hello,

About 2 years ago, I fought tooth and nail with word 2000 to do the
following simple thing in normal (~15page) documents: Position a figure
with an autonumbered caption so it doesn't jump and/or drag paragraphs to
other pages.

It didn't seem too much to ask - but the kind of positioning (image/text
boxes) that stops the horrible shunting of images could not be used with
numbered captions (cross-references failed), so frames were needed (which
caused the formatting nightmare). I ended up mutilating my documents by
adding lots of paragraphs so frames had something to hook into.

Before returning to the Dragons Lair, has anything changed while I've been
strolling pastures new, or are there any third-party tools available to
sort out this mess?

Thanks for any help you may provide,

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Anne Troy - 28 Sep 2004 23:52 GMT

Frankly, I don't understand the problem, unless you're using *the bad
method*. Selecting the graphic and using Insert-Caption is VERY different
from simply placing the graphic as "inline with text" and then inserting a
caption on the next paragraph. I avoid using text wrapping on graphics
whenever possible, and hence avoid any issues that you're experiencing. If
you apply a style to the graphic, and have the style set as "keep with
next", this will also keep your caption from being at the top of page 2
while your graphic is sitting at the bottom of page 1.
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Ligature - 29 Sep 2004 00:08 GMT

> Frankly, I don't understand the problem, unless you're using *the bad
> method*. Selecting the graphic and using Insert-Caption is VERY
> different from simply placing the graphic as "inline with text" and
> then inserting a caption on the next paragraph. I avoid using text
> wrapping on graphics whenever possible, and hence avoid any issues
> that you're experiencing.

Due to the writing style used, I wanted to get text to wrap around the
images, and as you point out that is where the problems lie. I've had no
problem with OO Writer on this front (it seems to use a more robust layout
engine), and was hoping that there may have been a resolution to this via
some extension that would e.g. make the text box layer open to cross-
referencing.

I'll keep hoping, and thank you for your prompt and helpful reply.

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Margaret Aldis - 29 Sep 2004 13:54 GMT

There's some good advice at

http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/figures/keepwithcaption.html

Another option would be to anchor your figure to the caption paragraph and
*lock the anchor*. A floating figure will always stay on the same page as
the paragraph it is anchored to.

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Ligature - 29 Sep 2004 16:57 GMT

> There's some good advice at
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> and *lock the anchor*. A floating figure will always stay on the same
> page as the paragraph it is anchored to.

Thanks for the reply. The page you suggested does effectively what I do
currently, which has the problem that when there are not too many
paragraphs to a page (I have to use double spaced lines), then it can cause
pages where paragraphs + image/caption are shunted resulting in big chunks
of white-space. I think you solution would do the same.

Thanks anyway,

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