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MS Office Forum / Word / Page Layout / March 2005Problem with Textboxes
Hi, I'm creating a document in Word 2000 (to be used in 2000 up to 2003). The document has several pages with a 2-column layout, but for various reasons I'm using textboxes to position the columns. I've almost immediately hit a bizarre problem with my textboxes, which I've reduced to the bare minimum so that I can post an example (at www.electrum.co.uk/gary/bug.doc). The problem exhibits itself in Word 2000 and Word 2003 (haven't tried XP/2002). Page 1 of the example document contains a single textbox, which has a picture in it. Page 2 contains a single textbox with some text in it. To see the problem, make sure that Word is in Print Layout mode, then scroll so that the textbox on the second page is visible, but the bottom of the first page is also visible. Put the selection in the 2nd page textbox, and try using the up/down arrow to move the selection. It doesn't work! Also, the ruler (under the menu bar) is set up for the textbox on the first page, despite the selection being in the textbox on the 2nd page! If you scroll the window so that you can no longer see the bottom of the first page, then the problem goes away... I've discovered that if I resize the textbox on the first page to make it bigger, then this cures the problem(!). However, I don't exactly feel confident that I know what went wrong in the first place, or that this will stop the problem re-occurring... Anyone seen this, or have any idea what might be going wrong? Gary Hi Gary, Hard to be absolutely certain (the doc opened in IE, so I didn't have access to all the menus), but it seems the problem may be a combination of your use of manual page breaks, plus where the graphics are anchored. As best I can tell, the anchors are 1) "overlapping", or at least directly adjacent, locked, and associated with the Page Break. Try - delete the page break - unlock the anchors - drag the first page text box anchor to a paragraph mark on that page - drag the second one to a paragraphs that will be on the second page Then restore the page break, or better, use the "Page break before" formatting on the first paragraph of the second page. Note: Text boxes are finicky things. You might consider using a table, instead of text boxes, to create the columns. > I'm creating a document in Word 2000 (to be used in 2000 up to 2003). The > document has several pages with a 2-column layout, but for various reasons [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Anyone seen this, or have any idea what might be going wrong? Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 8 2004) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) Cindy, Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately, when I tried re-creating the document with no page breaks (using "Page Break Before" instead), I got pretty much the same results :-( I'm not keen to use tables to lay out the document, because some of the content is tables - and so I'd have tables-within-tables, which I've always found confusing. Gary > Hi Gary, > [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > reply > in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) Hi Gary, > Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately, when I tried re-creating the document > with no page breaks (using "Page Break Before" instead), I got pretty much > the same results :-( But did you pay attention to the ANCHORs? Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 8 2004) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) I did check that the anchor for each text box is on the same page as the textbox itself, if that's what you mean? As in, when I click on the text box, the anchor graphic is displayed at the top-left of the current page. I'm not sure whether there's any way of getting more info about the anchor? > Hi Gary, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or > reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) Hi Gary, > I did check that the anchor for each text box is on the same page as the > textbox itself, if that's what you mean? As in, when I click on the text > box, the anchor graphic is displayed at the top-left of the current page. > I'm not sure whether there's any way of getting more info about the anchor? That's what I mean, more or less. However, I'd make sure the one on the second page is NOT anchored to the top paragraph (since it may still have an association with that on the previous page). If you get it set up like that, post it again and I'll take another look... Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 8 2004) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) Cindy, I tried removing the page breaks from my sample document, and using Page Break Before instead. I then inserted a couple of extra (blank) paragraphs on each page, so that I could move the object anchors to the second paragraph (neither the first, nor the last). Sadly, I get the same results as before :-( I've posted the revised document at http://www.electrum.co.uk/gary/bug.html - thanks for taking the time to look at this! :-) Gary > Hi Gary, > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or > reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) Hi Gary, OK, when I open a play around with this, I make the following discoveries 1. If I use Enter until it inserts an additional page between the two pages with text boxes, the problem goes away. So I know that the boxes aren't directly linked, somehow. 2. If I pull down the frame of the first textbox a bit (beyond the edge of the picture, so roughly a paragraph-height of white space shows) the problem goes away. Remark: there would be no need, really, to place a graphic in a textbox? Why not simply apply the text wrap to the graphic? In any case, this is definitely "unexpected behavior" (to use a nice term) and I will pass this it on to Microsoft. There most likely won't be any fix for current versions, but maybe something in a new one. > I tried removing the page breaks from my sample document, and using Page > Break Before instead. I then inserted a couple of extra (blank) paragraphs [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > http://www.electrum.co.uk/gary/bug.html - thanks for taking the time to look > at this! :-) Cindy Meister INTER-Solutions, Switzerland http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 8 2004) http://www.word.mvps.org This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) Cindy, The reason I put the graphic in a textbox was simply to illustrate the problem. My actual document is very much more complex than that one :-) Thanks for your help. I'll await Word 2004 :-) Gary > Hi Gary, > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > reply > in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-) Word 2004 is already out and it's a Mac version. I think you are waiting for Word 2005. :) > Cindy, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Gary Though it will probably be at least Word 2006. <g>  SignatureSuzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > Word 2004 is already out and it's a Mac version. I think you are waiting > for Word 2005. :) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > > Gary
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