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MS Office Forum / Word / Printing and Fonts / April 2005Alt-0nnn doesn't work in Word
Word 2003, Win XP SP2 In other appolications, including Excel 2003, I can get e.g. a degree mark by Alt-0176. But this doesn't work in Word for some reason. (We're talking about standard fonts like Times New Roman, so it's not a matter of missing characters.) If I know the hex Unicode value I can type it and hit Alt-X, but I'm a crotchety old guy and want to do it the way I'm used to. I've looked through Tools>Options but can't find a relevant setting. How do I restore the Alt-0nnn functioning to Word?  SignatureStan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com/ It does work in Word, but remember that you have to use the numbers on the numeric keypad. Also note that for many special characters (including the degree symbol) there are specific built-in Word shortcuts (in the case of the degree symbol, it's Ctrl+Shift+@, Spacebar). For more see http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/General/InsertSpecChars.htm SignatureSuzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > Word 2003, Win XP SP2 > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > How do I restore the Alt-0nnn functioning to Word? "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in microsoft.public.word.printingfonts: >> Word 2003, Win XP SP2 >> >> In other appolications, including Excel 2003, I can get e.g. a >> degree mark by Alt-0176. But this doesn't work in Word for some >> reason. (We're talking about standard fonts like Times New Roman, >> so it's not a matter of missing characters.) >It does work in Word, but remember that you have to use the numbers on the >numeric keypad. Thanks for your reply. Yes, I know you have to use the numeric keypad. Otherwise how could I get it to work in Excel and other apps? Once again, it's only in Word that this fails to work. I would really appreciate some help with this as it has greatly slowed down my ketboarding. Yes, I know I can open Insert >> Symbol; but for me that's a lot slower. SignatureStan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com/ Well, you're not giving us much to go on. You see, all the rest of us *can* use Alt+0nnn in Word (all versions). If you can't, it could be that one or another of the keys isn't working or that some other keybinding is interfering or an add-in is causing problems or... SignatureSuzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in microsoft.public.word.printingfonts: > >> Word 2003, Win XP SP2 [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Yes, I know I can open Insert >> Symbol; but for me that's a lot > slower. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in microsoft.public.word.printingfonts: >> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in microsoft.public.word.printingfonts: >> >> Word 2003, Win XP SP2 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> reason. (We're talking about standard fonts like Times New Roman, >> >> so it's not a matter of missing characters.) >Well, you're not giving us much to go on. You see, all the rest of us *can* >use Alt+0nnn in Word (all versions). If you can't, it could be that one or >another of the keys isn't working or that some other keybinding is >interfering or an add-in is causing problems or... Okay, it's not a paid help desk and you don't owe me any answers. But I have to confess that I'm feeling frustrated my message is not getting across. Alt-0nnn works for me in other applications, INCLUDING EXCEL 2003. (It's also worked for me in every incarnation of Word up till this one.) How could "one or another of the keys [not be] working" if that's the case? Yes, I suppose it could be key bindings or an add-in. I don't have any add-ins; I installed the Office Pro 2003 CD. Key bindings: I can't remember changing any; I hven't done any real customizing since installing. Where would I lok for a key binding that makes every Alt-0nnn combination appear to do nothing? I'm not trying to be obstreperous; I know this is a weird problem. I would be grateful for help in diagnosing it. If it means checking things out amnd reporting what I find, I'm ready to do that. But I don't even know where to begin because I've never had any problem like this in many years of using Word from 5.0 on up. SignatureStan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com/ You can download a utility from Chris Woodman's site that will show you your keyboard shortcuts in an Organizer type dialog. http://www.chriswoodman.co.uk/Shortcut%20Organizer.htm You may have Add-ins that don't show up in the Templates and Add-Ins dialog. See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customization/CheckIfAddinsInstalled.htm for instructions on finding others. Hope this helps. I can see why you are frustrated. SignatureCharles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. > "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in microsoft.public.word.printingfonts: > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > don't even know where to begin because I've never had any problem > like this in many years of using Word from 5.0 on up. "Charles Kenyon" wrote in microsoft.public.word.printingfonts: >You can download a utility from Chris Woodman's site that will show you your >keyboard shortcuts in an Organizer type dialog. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customization/CheckIfAddinsInstalled.htm for >instructions on finding others. I had already checked Temnplates and Add-Ins. I checked C:\Program Files\MSOffice\Office11\Startup and it's empty. Following the advice on the page you cite, I also used Tools Options to find "my" startup directory; it's also empty. Also following that page, I checked and found no COM add-ins. >Hope this helps. I can see why you are frustrated. It's just so darn weird! I feel like I felt when that darn paper clip wouldn't go away even though I had unchecked everything appropriate. (Yes, I've solved that one since. :-) SignatureStan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com/ "Charles Kenyon" wrote in microsoft.public.word.printingfonts: >You can download a utility from Chris Woodman's site that will show you your >keyboard shortcuts in an Organizer type dialog. >http://www.chriswoodman.co.uk/Shortcut%20Organizer.htm Thanks. I've downloaded it, will install it next time I log on as administrator, and will report back. SignatureStan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com/ Yes, I can certainly understand your frustration, and I hope you understand my bewilderment. This is the first time I've ever heard of this problem, and I honestly can't think of what might cause it. If the technique didn't work in other apps, at least we'd have somewhere to start, but the fact that it occurs only in Word does suggest that *something* in Word is causing the problem. You mention that Alt+0176 doesn't work; do *any* Alt+0nnn combinations work, or is it not working across the board? SignatureSuzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in microsoft.public.word.printingfonts: > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > don't even know where to begin because I've never had any problem > like this in many years of using Word from 5.0 on up. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in microsoft.public.word.printingfonts: >Yes, I can certainly understand your frustration, and I hope you understand >my bewilderment. This is the first time I've ever heard of this problem, and >I honestly can't think of what might cause it. I can relate! BTW, I checked, and there are no global templates or add-ins listed. > If the technique didn't work >in other apps, at least we'd have somewhere to start, but the fact that it >occurs only in Word does suggest that *something* in Word is causing the >problem. Yes, this is my problem too. I don't know much about how Word reads its characters, but I can't imagine how it does them any differently from the rest of Office. I just now tried in Access, and Alt-0150 puts an en dash in the field. I think I mentioned already that Excel has no problems with Alt-0nnn. > You mention that Alt+0176 doesn't work; do *any* Alt+0nnn >combinations work, or is it not working across the board? Across the board. I tried Alt-0161 through Alt-0254 just now. I also tried Alt-0034, which I believe is a " character, but got nothing. Word _does_ honor things like 0022 Alt-X, by the way. This is certainly a head scratcher. I'm beginning to believe it's some sort of obscure bug in Word that depends on something about my notebook. SignatureStan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com/ You mention a laptop. I don't have one, but I'm vaguely aware that some laptops don't have actual numeric keypads and require use of a function key to get keypad-like functions. If this is the case, or even if you have a separate keypad, I wonder if there's something in Word that's disabling NumLock or the function key so that you're not getting numeric input. In the case of a keypad, of course, you'd be getting cursor movement or something else, but again this is the only thing I can think of that might be relevant. SignatureSuzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in microsoft.public.word.printingfonts: > >Yes, I can certainly understand your frustration, and I hope you understand [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > some sort of obscure bug in Word that depends on something about my > notebook. "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in microsoft.public.word.printingfonts: >You mention a laptop. I don't have one, but I'm vaguely aware that some >laptops don't have actual numeric keypads and require use of a function key [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >else, but again this is the only thing I can think of that might be >relevant. The way my laptop works is that Numpad keys are mapped to letters. If you press "Fn" key whle pressing one of those letters you get the indicated number. Interestingly, this also does not work in Word. Some more experimentation shows that it's doing the equivalent non-numerics. For instance, Fn-9 gives me not a 9 but PageUp. And the same is true in Excel. In other words, Fn plus the appropriate key seems yto be equivalent to the Numpad with Numlock off. (Pressing Shift and Fn simultaneously still doesn't get me numbers. For example, Shift+Fn+9 gives PageUp, not 9.) I feel at this point I should apologize for not having experimented more with the Numpad functions before posting. As it happens, the only thing I actually use the Numpad for is the Alt-0nnn business. Now maybe instead of asking why Alt-0nnn doesn't work in Word, we ought to ask why it _does_ work in other applications. :-) SignatureStan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com/ Interesting. I'm glad that I finally (sort of) nailed it, but I agree it's odd that it would work in some other apps and not in Word. <sigh> SignatureSuzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in microsoft.public.word.printingfonts: > >You mention a laptop. I don't have one, but I'm vaguely aware that some [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Now maybe instead of asking why Alt-0nnn doesn't work in Word, we > ought to ask why it _does_ work in other applications. :-) "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in microsoft.public.word.printingfonts: >Interesting. I'm glad that I finally (sort of) nailed it, but I agree it's >odd that it would work in some other apps and not in Word. <sigh> Yes -- and just in time for "Bryan" in m.p.word.newusers. :-) SignatureStan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com/ I noticed. <g> SignatureSuzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in microsoft.public.word.printingfonts: > >Interesting. I'm glad that I finally (sort of) nailed it, but I agree it's > >odd that it would work in some other apps and not in Word. <sigh> > > Yes -- and just in time for "Bryan" in m.p.word.newusers. :-) T-bird Leader Suzanne S. Barnhill radioed the tower on 4/8/2005 10:47 AM: > I noticed. <g> Worth remembering that some laptops can have a full size desktop keyboard plugged into a keyboard port. May help with this sort of issue. SignatureRon K. I don't have a laptop, but if I did, I wouldn't consider using it without an external keyboard whenever possible. I have yet to find a laptop keyboard that I could use. SignatureSuzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so all may benefit. > T-bird Leader Suzanne S. Barnhill radioed the tower on 4/8/2005 10:47 AM: > > > I noticed. <g> > > Worth remembering that some laptops can have a full size desktop keyboard > plugged into a keyboard port. May help with this sort of issue. > "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in microsoft.public.word.printingfonts: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Yes, I know I can open Insert >> Symbol; but for me that's a lot > slower. I'd like to suggest an alternate method for the more common characters. Allchars - http://allchars.zwolnet.com This background utility has been around in different incarnations about as long as your Grep program! (It started out as Digital Equipment Corp's only PC utility). It lets you use pretty obvious key combinations, by tapping the Ctrl key, then two additional keys. E.g., the copyright symbol © is Ctrl, c, o; the degree ° is Ctrl, d, g; etc. And best of all, it works with just about every application - you don't need to remember application-specific combinations. - Character "Character" wrote in microsoft.public.word.printingfonts: >I'd like to suggest an alternate method for the more common characters. >Allchars - >http://allchars.zwolnet.com >And best of all, it works with just about every application - you don't >need to remember application-specific combinations. Thanks. I liked Alt-0nnn because it worked in every application. But since on my notebook it doesn't, I think it makes sense to install an application program, learn one set of substitutions, and use them in all programs. SignatureStan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com/ T-bird Leader Stan Brown radioed the tower on 4/8/2005 7:43 PM: > "Character" wrote in microsoft.public.word.printingfonts: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > install an application program, learn one set of substitutions, and > use them in all programs. There is one additional possability. Some laptops have a socket for plugging in a full size keyboard, like one for a desktop. If you have that feature then the num-lock issue might be worked around. I used this method with an old Zenith 386 "Laptop", bugger was a hefty lug so ended up being a fast semi-desktop. SignatureRon K. >There is one additional possability. Some laptops have a socket for >plugging in a full size keyboard, like one for a desktop. If you have >that feature then the num-lock issue might be worked around. I used this >method with an old Zenith 386 "Laptop", bugger was a hefty lug so ended up >being a fast semi-desktop. If there is no keyboard socket (connector) another (yes, there is another!) alternative is a USB keyboard. PeterD, the Darkstar Network To email, fix my address! ExpertZone! "Ron Killmer" wrote in microsoft.public.word.printingfonts: >There is one additional possability. Some laptops have a socket for >plugging in a full size keyboard, like one for a desktop. If you have >that feature then the num-lock issue might be worked around. I used this >method with an old Zenith 386 "Laptop", bugger was a hefty lug so ended up >being a fast semi-desktop. Thanks -- mine has a USB port but no keyboard or serial port. I tend to take it on the road more than 50% of the time, so the external keyboard wouldn't really work for me. But thanks anyway for the suggestion. SignatureStan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com/ Hi Stan, Out of curiosity what is the make and model of your laptop? ===== I liked Alt-0nnn because it worked in every application. But since on my notebook it doesn't, I think it makes sense to install an application program, learn one set of substitutions, and use them in all programs. Stan Brown>> SignatureBob Buckland ?:-) MS Office System Products MVP *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends* "" wrote in microsoft.public.word.printingfonts: > I liked Alt-0nnn because it worked in every application. >But since on my notebook it doesn't, I think it makes sense to >install an application program, learn one set of substitutions, and >use them in all programs. >Out of curiosity what is the make and model of your laptop? Acer Travelmate 4504. I'm generally quite happy with it. SignatureStan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com/ |
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