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Times New Roman 12 pt. print error

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Sue - 23 Feb 2006 18:18 GMT
Times New Roman 12 pt. has been my default font forever.  All of the sudden,
when I hit "print" the text changes to what looks like Wingdings.  If I
change the font to 11 pt. or any other size, it's okay.  But 12 pt. will not
print.  If I save the file, it saves as jibberish, but I can reopen and
change the font, and everything is okay.  Anyone have a suggestion?
Tom Ferguson - 24 Feb 2006 05:16 GMT
It is possibly a font substitution problem.

1. Assure that Times New Roman is installed by checking the listing in
Control Panel Fonts.

2. Check and make sure the correct printer driver is instralled.

3. Open the document. Select the entire document (or at least that part
formatted to use Times New Roman). Go to the Format Font menu and select
Times New Roman.

Save the document under a different name. Print it. Let us know.

Also:
What printer make and model is selected for use? What is the source of
the printer drivers? (CD that came with the printer | Drivers in-box with
Windows | download for printer maker's web site | Compatible drivers e.g.
Brother printer using HP drivers.) Was the document originally formatted,
possibly by someone else,  to use Times (as opposed to Times New Roman)?

Tom
MSMVP
Windows Shell/User

: Times New Roman 12 pt. has been my default font forever.  All of the sudden,
: when I hit "print" the text changes to what looks like Wingdings.  If I
: change the font to 11 pt. or any other size, it's okay.  But 12 pt. will not
: print.  If I save the file, it saves as jibberish, but I can reopen and
: change the font, and everything is okay.  Anyone have a suggestion?
Sue - 24 Feb 2006 14:13 GMT
Tom, Thanks for your response.  I checked and Times New Roman is an installed
font.  The printer is a HP Deskjet 6122 and I went on the HP website and had
them check and they verified that I had the correct driver with no needed
updates.  I initially created the document and saved it.  I then use the
original document as a template (I did not save it as such, it is saved as
.doc) and overwrite the pertinent information and then save the new document
each time under a new name.  The font reformatting only happen once in a
while, but on the day that it happens, there's nothing I can do to correct it
other than changing the font or the fontsize.  I've rebooted, exited Word,
etc. and nothing works.

Let me know if you can think of anything else.  For now, I've changed by
defaul font in Word and go from there.

Thanks again - Sue

It is possibly a font substitution problem.

1. Assure that Times New Roman is installed by checking the listing in
Control Panel Fonts.

2. Check and make sure the correct printer driver is instralled.

3. Open the document. Select the entire document (or at least that part
formatted to use Times New Roman). Go to the Format Font menu and select
Times New Roman.

Save the document under a different name. Print it. Let us know.

Also:
What printer make and model is selected for use? What is the source of
the printer drivers? (CD that came with the printer | Drivers in-box with
Windows | download for printer maker's web site | Compatible drivers e.g.
Brother printer using HP drivers.) Was the document originally formatted,
possibly by someone else,  to use Times (as opposed to Times New Roman)?


Tom
MSMVP
Windows Shell/User

"Sue" <Sue@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
: news:A9387F6F-4CDC-4F32-AE4C-3DBEF9A16532@microsoft.com...
: Times New Roman 12 pt. has been my default font forever.  All of the
: sudden,  when I hit "print" the text changes to what looks like
Wingdings.  If I
: change the font to 11 pt. or any other size, it's okay.  But 12 pt.  will
not
: print.  If I save the file, it saves as jibberish, but I can reopen and
: change the font, and everything is okay.  Anyone have a suggestion?


Tom Ferguson - 24 Feb 2006 16:43 GMT
Hi;

Yes. Very curious.

Is the default printer a PostScript Printer?

Tom
MSMVP
Windows Shell/User

: Tom, Thanks for your response.  I checked and Times New Roman is an installed
: font.  The printer is a HP Deskjet 6122 and I went on the HP website and had
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: : print.  If I save the file, it saves as jibberish, but I can reopen and
: : change the font, and everything is okay.  Anyone have a suggestion?
Matti Ponkamo - 01 Mar 2006 09:33 GMT
No answer to the qustion, sorry, but the problem seems to be somewhere
between the printer drivers and Word (also Excel).

I have had similar problems with Arial and Futura fonts. The files are not
corrupted, they open every time correctly.
When printing to a HP720 inkjet - no problem, next printing the same
document to a Nashua ds232 (=Ricoch?) printer - wingdings.
Next day, same document same printers - no problems.  But wait: OKI CS5100
has joined the wingding family !
The following day, HP prints yiddisch, Nashua OK, OKI also OK.

No solution found so far, I have to rely on luck.

Matti P., Finland

"Sue" <Sue@discussions.microsoft.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:A9387F6F-4CDC-4F32-AE4C-3DBEF9A16532@microsoft.com...
> Times New Roman 12 pt. has been my default font forever.  All of the
> sudden,
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> print.  If I save the file, it saves as jibberish, but I can reopen and
> change the font, and everything is okay.  Anyone have a suggestion?
Thomas Ferguson - 02 Mar 2006 16:59 GMT
Hi;

The HP inkjet should print exactly what is on the screen. It should do
this because the printer type does not have a built-in rasteriser. The
printer driver should simply print the same image to the printer that the
Windows GDI+ rasteriser sends to the screen.

Postscript and PCL printers have their own, built-in rasterisers. The
printer driver, depending on driver settings, might substitute
printer-resident fonts for those used in the document. It is in this
process that peculiar results can happen. E.g., Symbol becomes
substituted for a text font. Also, peculiar font substitution problems
can happen if the font specified in the document is not present on the
system doing the editing or printing.

So, please confirm if problems always or sometimes or never happen when
printing to the HP or other inkjet. Also, let us know what printers do
show problems and what the source of the printer driver is. (CD that came
with the printer, Download from printer maker's web site, other
compatible printer driver, driver from Windows CD, ...)

Tom
MSMVP
Windows Shell/User

| No answer to the qustion, sorry, but the problem seems to be somewhere
| between the printer drivers and Word (also Excel).
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| > print.  If I save the file, it saves as jibberish, but I can reopen and
| > change the font, and everything is okay.  Anyone have a suggestion?
Matti Ponkamo - 03 Mar 2006 08:28 GMT
Hi,

Thanks for answering, my "distress" call (not acute, though).

After checking the archives I found out that the problem with the HP printer
occurred after I had made a pdf-document of the doc-document (for eMailing
it).  I may have printed the pdf-version with the HP720 laserjet.

Acrobat (6.0) has sometimes this queer ability to substitute fonts, propably
because if I have, for example, a ttf and a T1 version of Arial in my fonts
folders - which is perhaps my mistake.  Also, *after* using cyrillic
characters in pdf-documents (any suitable font) problems arise. But that is
not a Word/Office problem, I guess.

In general, I do not have problems with "elderly type" printers like HP720,
but the laser printers cause difficulties, say once or twice a year.
Problems with HP720? Maybe twice in 8 years.

I downloaded in December 2005 a newer version of the printer driver for the
OKI C5100, and I have not had any problems since. Also I have had no
problems since October 2005 with the Nashuatec DSc232 either. But I am
waiting...

Best regards,

Matti P., Finland

"Thomas Ferguson" <tom.msmvp@gmail.com> kirjoitti
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> Hi;
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> | Matti P., Finland
Thomas Ferguson - 04 Mar 2006 14:58 GMT
Sorry to say, I cannot determine if you are actively seeking help or
simply commenting on your problems. In any case, there is not enough
information for me to suggest any solution. However, I can make some
suggestions about how you might proceed. I know you might have done at
least some of this before but offer it for greater certainty.

Check the versions of printer drivers you use against the latest
available from the maker's web site.
If there is a more recent driver, remove the present driver. (Be sure to
check the maker's web site for a driver-removal program and use it if
available.) Then restart the computer and install the driver according to
the instructions. In particular, make sure the printer is not attached to
the computer until directed to do so by the instructions or on-screen
prompt, Next, for PostScript and PCL printers (lasers) check the driver
settings. In particular, check for font substitution tables. Set the
driver not to substitute fonts.

Adobe Acrobat has it's own peculiarities of font substitution. I don't
use it and cannot comment further. Nonetheless, I do suggest you delete
any Type fonts that duplicate PostScript fonts. Create a directory for
them that is not part of the Windows font hierarchy
(c:\Fonts_DuplicateTrueType, for example) and put copies of the file
there. Alternately, remove the PostScript versions.

As you use the possibly new drivers, note any problems and what you did
or were doing at the time, in particular anything that is in any way
different than your usual procedure. Then, modify the procedure and see
if the result is different.

This resource is well worth checking:
http://members.shaw.ca/bsanders/CleanPrinterDrivers.htm

Do let us know how it goes.

Tom
MSMVP
Windows Shell/User

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