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Charles Kenyon
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Thank-you, Charles, for the suggestion.
Updating the underlying clauses and the creation of the main document
are done by the same user. They are separate functions only in the way
I have described above. The smaller Word Docs I referred to are
actually the text [...and embedded pause prompts...] from a group of
approximately 75 separate Word Perfect macros. The forms I have
developed capture all the information needed -- that which is generated
for the main document; as well as the WP pause prompts as bookmarks
within each of the smaller Word docs.
None of these "converted" WP macros [...smaller Word Documents...] are
more than three typed pages, but all together they are way more than I
wanted to create autotext entries for. I looked at the include text
feature, but still couldn't figure out a way to handle the variable
text, i.e..., the bookmarks. Can I do an insert file, and preserve the
bookmarks? Then fill them in in a later step afterward? From reading
the help, that didn't seem to be an option.
Also, the person responsible for creating these documents will, in all
liklihood, be temporary contractual help, and different folks will be
coming and going frequently. For that reason, I need it to be as
automated as possible. These are legal documents, and so the first
thing I looked at was the pleadings wizard; but there was not a choice
that seemed a close enough match for this particular endeavor.
Thanks again for the help. If any of this is unclear, I will be happy
to try and clarify further.
Tim
timsgolf@aol.com - 29 Aug 2005 16:16 GMT
UPDATE:
I was able to accomplish part of my task by trying the above. The code
segment is:
Private Sub cmdtest1_Click()
Selection.InsertFile FileName:="c:\HI_Legal_files\introA.doc"
With ActiveDocument
.Bookmarks("COUNTY").Range.Text =
frmIntroInfo.txtCountyIntroMatter
.Bookmarks("JUD_DIST").Range.Text =
frmIntroInfo.txtJudIntroMatter
.Bookmarks("PLAINT_NAME").Range.Text =
frmIntroInfo.txtPlaintIntroMatter
.Bookmarks("CAUSE_NUM").Range.Text =
frmIntroInfo.txtCauseIntroMatter
.Bookmarks("ANS_TITLE").Range.Text =
frmIntroInfo.txtAnswerTitleIntroMatter
End With
End Sub
This is great, because I don't have to actually OPEN the "smaller"
document. I have only tested this one so far, but the rest of them are
very similar. As I said earlier, some of the "smaller" documents are
just straight text, with no variables/bookmarks needed, so just the
Selection.InsertFile step is all I'll need.
Thanks again.
Tim
Charles Kenyon - 30 Aug 2005 15:12 GMT
What you are describing seems ideal for AutoText. A key to using AutoText
successfully is an awareness of styles.
Here is some general info on moving from Word Perfect to Word:
Word and Word Perfect work very differently from one another. Each program's
methods have strengths and weaknesses; but, if you try to use one of these
programs as if it were the other, it is like pushing on a string! You can
easily make a lot of extra work for yourself. In the (short) long term
spending the time to learn Word will save you time if you are spending any
time at all (more than an hour a day) using Word.
See http://www.addbalance.com/word/wordperfect.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/General/WordVsWordPerfect.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/General/TipsAndGotchas.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/General/WordPerfectConverters.htm
http://businesssoft.about.com/compute/businesssoft/library/blconvert.htm
for information on Word for Word Perfect users.
For more:
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Customization/CreateATemplatePart2.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Customization/CreateATemplatePart1.htm
http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/templates.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Numbering/WordsNumberingExplained.htm
http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/styles.htm
http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Customization/WhatTemplatesStore.htm
Function Keys
In Word 2000 (or later) You can get the function keys to display in a
special toolbar at the bottom of the screen if you want (something like
pressing F3 twice in WP). The following macro will do this.
Sub ShowMeFunctionKeys()
Commandbars("Function Key Display").Visible = True
End Sub
Word's Extend key (F8) gives something similar to block processing.
Formatting and Styles
Learn about Styles - really learn!
http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/styles.htm I resisted for years and now
regret every day of those years because although that string was still very
hard to push, it kept getting longer and longer, and had some very important
projects tied to it! Once you understand styles and the Word concept of
organizing things into Chinese boxes everything falls into place and instead
of pushing a string, you can push a button that turns on the very powerful
text processing machine known as Microsoft Word and it will start doing your
work for you instead of running around behind you trying to undo what you
just thought you did.
Converting documents Word / Word Perfect
Some special characters in Word Perfect documents don't convert well to
Word. There is a macro to assist with this described at
http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/wptoword.html#macroword and can be found
at http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/WPSymbolConv.bas.
This was prepared by Edward Mendelson.
Otherwise, look at the macro from http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=212396
Use these on _copies_!
As for converting documents from Word Perfect to _use_ in Word... In a word,
don't plan on it. I would not recommend using converted documents long-term.
They will be filled with formatting anomolies that will get you at the worst
time. This is especially true of any documents containing automatic
numbering or bullets. Try recreating form documents in Word using the
following process:
In Word Perfect (if you still have it, in Word if not) save your files as
text files.
Use your converted files as references to show you how you want your
formatting to look.
Create a new document in Word and insert the text from the text file. Save
this new document as a Word template. Format it the way you want using
styles, not direct formatting. Save it again.
To use a template within Word, use File => New and pick your template. This
will create a new document for you.
Merge documents have special problems and should be recreated from text
files or retyped in Word. To convert data files, consider generating labels
in WP as a document, converting that to Word, and then using
http://www.gmayor.com/convert_labels_into_mail_merge.htm to get a new Word
data file.
Note that conversions usually do create documents that look passable and
print OK; the problems I'm referring to have to do with editing / making
changes, that is, using the documents long-term. (See below on reusing
documents vs. using templates.)
Conversion back to Word Perfect: There is a problem (in addition to the ones
mentioned for conversion _to_ Word) with Version 2002 (XP) and later of
Word. The conversion file only works for conversion _to_ Word, not from Word
to Word Perfect! Earlier versions went both ways. To fix this, you need to
find the old conversion file WPFT532.CNV from a Word 97 or Word 2000
installation and copy it to your new installation, replacing the file of the
same name. Note, the change making the file one-way was done as a security
measure. While I don't know of any problems the old file causes, keep the
new installation's file somewhere as a backup just in case.
Boilerplate and Forms
In WP a lot of people use macros to hold chunks of text - boilerplate. In
Word this function is filled by Templates, AutoText and AutoCorrect, not
macros. Follow the links at
http://addbalance.com/word/wordwebresources.htm#AutoText for more
information on these tools.
You can use FILLIN and ASK fields or UserForms to query the user. For more
about online forms, follow the links at
http://addbalance.com/word/wordwebresources.htm#Forms or
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customization/FillinTheBlanks.htm especially Dian
Chapman's series of articles. You may also want to look at
http://www.word.mvps.org/FAQs/TblsFldsFms/LinesInForms.htm.
Reusing Documents vs. Using templates
General practice in WP is to have a document and copy and edit it to create
a new document. This is not good practice in Word. In Word, construct a
good, tight, template for your documents and use that template when
constructing new documents. Among other things, this can avoid embarrassing
"metadata" (http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/metadata.htm) and things
like surprise headers and footers from creeping into new documents.
It's a lot of reading, I know. It's OK to chunk it down and do a bit each
day, but I would recommend that you make it a top priority to do that bit
each day. In the (short) long run, it will save you both time and grief.

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Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of
Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide
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> Thank-you, Charles, for the suggestion.
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> Tim