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Matthew - 26 Mar 2004 19:46 GMT
I apologize if this is way off topic, but I thought someone might have a
good suggestion.

We maintain a website that deals with fair labor and sweatshop issues.  It's
not especially provocative- our company promotes a voluntary fair labor
standard endorsed by the ILO and used by some major corporations who use
Chinese suppliers.

We don't host our site.  We have three domain names, all leading to the same
website.  Recently, the site is not accessible in China.

We are pursuing what we can along official channels, but I'm wondering:

1) If anyone here had any experience with something like this, and what
happened?

2) If I want to set up a mirror site, is it as simple as getting webspace
with a different IP, maybe getting a new domain name, and manually
duplicating the site?

Thanks, and again sorry if this is off topic.

Matthew
Steve Easton - 26 Mar 2004 21:00 GMT
It's my understanding that the Chinese government blocks access to *all* web
sites that are located outside of China.

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> I apologize if this is way off topic, but I thought someone might have a
> good suggestion.
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> Matthew
Tom Smith - 28 Mar 2004 05:08 GMT
That is my understanding as well, welcome to communism.

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> It's my understanding that the Chinese government blocks access to *all* web
> sites that are located outside of China.
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> > Matthew
lostinspace - 28 Mar 2004 08:58 GMT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew" <>
Newsgroups:
microsoft.public.frontpage.client,microsoft.public.webservices,microsoft.pub
lic.word.web.authoring
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 1:46 PM
Subject: website blocked in China

> I apologize if this is way off topic, but I thought someone might have a
> good suggestion.
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>
> Matthew

Matthew,
                I had a lengthy reply prepared on the day your inquiry came
through and decided not to submit because you has cross-posted to a number
of NG's.
In addition the one NG (of which I have only recently again resumed
monitoring) that I do monitor, this subject is HIGHLY off-topic.

When I began using htaccess nearly four years ago, my primary initial goal
was to deny the far east traffic which is not beneficial to my websites. I
have been successful in that regard. Last fall I decided to separate the
Oceanic IP ranges from the APNIC blocks to allow their access.

I have looked briefly back through my records of IP ranges and denials
(which is quite extensive,) if there are any recent far east visitors than I
have failed to keep records because they fall under a previous denial which
was set-up.

As a result I can only advise you that I had far east robots either crawling
or attempting to crawl my sites as late as 2002.
Whether China's control policies concerning outside countries has changed
between 2002 and 2004 I'm unable to advise you.

I do have a suggestion for a resolution of your inquiry. It may work or it
may NOT work.

The Oceanic countries and their IP ranges fall under the APNIC block range
which is over the entire far east.
You might try establishing a domain in one of the mixed block ranges to see
if access would be "slipped" through.
First you need to determine a block which has a variety of confusing and
separate scattered ranges used by both far east and Oceanic countries.
Then you would be required to find a web site hosting company in one of the
scattered ranges while being sold by an Oceanic provider.

It's not going to be an easy task and you might start off first gathering a
list of the Oceanic hosting companies and sorting out their IP ranges used.
Then comparing to a varied block range.

Best of luck
Applebaum - 29 Mar 2004 06:33 GMT
Thank you for you reply.  And thank you for your insight, as well.  I didn't
even realize that IP ranges could depend on geographic location.

Again, thanks for giving me things to try.

Matthew

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matthew" <>
> Newsgroups:

microsoft.public.frontpage.client,microsoft.public.webservices,microsoft.pub
> lic.word.web.authoring
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 1:46 PM
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> Best of luck
lostinspace - 30 Mar 2004 07:41 GMT
Taiwan appears to be part of the Repbulic?
These two IP's have outside access as they traversed over 600 of 296k-E
returns to get to my page.
211.72.108.21 - - [29/Mar/2004:22:13:09 -0800] "GET /myfolder/mypage.html
HTTP/1.0" 403 -
"http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=bell+boot+for+horse&ei=UTF-8&n=20&fl=0&xar
gs=0&pstart=6&fr=fp-tab-web-t&b=1" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0;
Windows NT 5.1)"

211.72.0.0 - 211.72.127.255
netname:      HINET-TW
descr:        CHTD, Chunghwa Telecom Co.,Ltd.
descr:        Data-Bldg.6F, No.21, Sec.21, Hsin-Yi Rd.
descr:        Taipei Taiwan 100

218.163.64.199 - - [29/Mar/2004:22:13:10 -0800] "GET /myfolder/mypage.html
HTTP/1.1" 403 - "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)"

218.160.0.0 - 218.175.255.255
netname:      HINET
descr:        CHTD, Chunghwa Telecom Co.,Ltd.
descr:        Data-Bldg.6F, No.21, Sec.21, Hsin-Yi Rd.
descr:        Taipei Taiwan 100

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