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Susan - 31 May 2004 15:24 GMT
Is there a way to make a few lines of the HTML source invisible, so that
when a web browser says "view source" the text will not appear?

I'm thinking of the Format/Font/Hidden text option in MS Word.

Thanks
lostinspace - 31 May 2004 15:46 GMT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan" <>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.word.web.authoring
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 10:24 AM
Subject: View Source

> Is there a way to make a few lines of the HTML source invisible, so that
> when a web browser says "view source" the text will not appear?
>
> I'm thinking of the Format/Font/Hidden text option in MS Word.
>
> Thanks

NOT POSSIBLE.
If it's on the page, it may be viewed.

There are steps you may take which hinder some of the masses.
One is to insert apporx 50 blank lines in your <head></head>

Forget all the Java and disable right clicking garbage. All those actions do
is discourage visitors from both staying and returning to your site.

There are some utilities which offer html compression however they also
restrict your search engine success.

You should however, note that some search engine robots have a restriction
as related to number of lines and KB's that they will digest. 50 blank lines
adds to possibility of some of your page data not getting indexed.
Susan - 31 May 2004 20:33 GMT
Actually, lis,
I'm using a password-restricted site shared by a group of chemical research
engineers. We post our papers for others in the group to review and make
corrections or additions, but we don't want to share this work publicly (at
least not until it's ready for publication). Also, we are trying to set up
an invisible "Hit Counter" to determine the IP address of anyone who might
hack into the main page. (Trust me, there are those who would spend weeks
trying to do that.) We want to know if that happens, but we don't want to
alert the hacker. If the hacker is able to see the html code, he would very
likely take the time to search through the html code to see if he's been
caught by a counter that recorded his IP address. We'd like to keep that
snippit of code hidden.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan" <>
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> as related to number of lines and KB's that they will digest. 50 blank lines
> adds to possibility of some of your page data not getting indexed.
lostinspace - 01 Jun 2004 00:13 GMT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan" <>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.word.web.authoring
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: View Source

> Actually, lis,
> I'm using a password-restricted site shared by a group of chemical research
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> lines
> > adds to possibility of some of your page data not getting indexed.

Hello ,
            How does your Hitcounter deal with people who have Java turned
off?
If you desire it to be hidden? Do NOT put it on the internet.
There is a difference between the internet and an intranet.
When you create password protected folders than you have entered into the
boundaries of the later.

If you desire an effective alternative?
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum13/1183.htm?highlight=bot+trap
Using the trap above would automatically move visitors into denied access.
Of course, NONE of this is possible within the boundaries of Word.
Susan - 02 Jun 2004 23:59 GMT
> Hello ,
>              How does your Hitcounter deal with people who have Java turned
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> When you create password protected folders than you have entered into the
> boundaries of the later.

Okay. I can see that this may not be as easy as first thought.
There are four of us and none are well
versed in computer skills--and none want to take the time away from our
other work to learn those skills. Unfortunately I drew the shortest straw,
so to speak, and was chosen to look into the matter.
Quite frankly, I have no idea what Java is, and unfortunately, I believe it
will take too long to learn about it.

Also, I'm afraid I haven't been totally forthcoming. Let me explain
precisely what we want to do:
We want to determine the IP address of an intruder without letting him know
he's been caught. Based on that, we will post disinformation appropriate to
that particular intruder. We will know (from email) the identity of the IP
address.

Your last post seems to imply that if the intruder has Java turned off, he
will become undetectable. How can we get around that?

Susan
lostinspace - 03 Jun 2004 01:05 GMT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan" <>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.word.web.authoring
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: View Source

> > Hello ,
> >              How does your Hitcounter deal with people who have Java
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> Susan

Hello Susan,
                      Your not required to learn Java, which is a form of
scripting in order to use it successively. A good and easy example of Java
implementation is in visitor stats.
Ex: http://sitemeter.com/
You insert a few lines of code within each page and are provided with stats.

The only way of getting around a user having Java turned off is NOT to use
Java :-((

Does your web host offer "visitor logs?"
Many hosts offer stats created from logs, however in most instances these
stats are useless because they are snipped off in their completeness, as the
host desires because he's prvoviding stats for the mass of his customers.

With visitor logs, you have the capability of seeing a more in-depth
picture of what you visitors are doing as well as using the information
conained in the logs to limit their activity.
You limit their activity with "server side" capabilities.

One of which I previously offered, requires three tools.
( http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum13/1183.htm?highlight=bot+trap )

Most intruder/hackers are not doing so by hand (so-to-speak) rather, they
are using a software to make their work easier and more productive.
1) You create a tranparent image, which the intruders software hits and
providing activiation of
   your server side perl script.
2) Perl
3) The Perl script records the visitors IP address and immediately denies
that intruders IP range      any further activity by making a change into
your htaccess file. Some of the users of this
    specific Perl script have even added notification to the webmaster of
the intrusion.

You should note that just because your server side tools provide you with an
IP address, that doesn't necessarily mean that the IP address is correct.
Nor will the IP range tell you anything except a number. That number will
NOT tell you it's John Doe from your competitors neighboring field office.

IMO and given your currrent knowledge the fact that you drew  the "shortest
straw," the simpliest solution for you and all involved to research research
the capabilities and/or limitations of your "password-restricted site" and
IF neccessary find a more secure alternative.

Analyzing Daily LOGS is the easiest solution to visitor activity. If there
are only a small group of you, I cannot imagine the log lines realted to
your portion of your companies website would be that extensive. Your
webmaster could create "very" quickly a server side script which would send
you the daily, the specific log traffic lines.
From those lines, you could progress slowly at understanding this scenario
Vs., taking on a large project all at once.

If you need further assitance on this?
I'll be gald to provide some extenive links which will assit you.
Please mail me off-line this topic if HIGHLY off-topic in this NG.

info at mi dash harness dot com
lostinspace - 31 May 2004 15:49 GMT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan" <>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.word.web.authoring
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 10:24 AM
Subject: View Source

> Is there a way to make a few lines of the HTML source invisible, so that
> when a web browser says "view source" the text will not appear?
>
> I'm thinking of the Format/Font/Hidden text option in MS Word.
>
> Thanks

Susan,
            On a side note?
If you fill your html pages with all that Word crap bloated HTML than I
can't imagine you'd find anybody (at least in an accepted frame-of-mind,)
that would sort out all the garbage to get to the key html.
 
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