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Robin Steffans - 31 May 2004 06:28 GMT

I am trying to build a website with a graphical theme,
using a logo and a background tile that's the same on all
pages, and i only want the graphic files to appear once
in the server directory, but even after clearing
the "organized files in a folder" checkbox in "web
options," it still makes a different-named copy of each
file for each page, eating up limited server space. How
can I correct this, other than using a different
authoring app? If this is one of those DUH questions,
you can email me rather than wasting group space/time.

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lostinspace - 31 May 2004 07:53 GMT

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Steffans" <>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.word.web.authoring
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 1:28 AM
Subject: Supporting Files Overload

> I am trying to build a website with a graphical theme,
> using a logo and a background tile that's the same on all
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> authoring app? If this is one of those DUH questions,
> you can email me rather than wasting group space/time.

Hello Robin,
On your local machine, you create a directory
structure which is a duplication of your website folder structure.
Then in both places you create a folder intended to hold your images.
Place the images your desire to use in that sub-folder (off your duplicated
website ROOT folder) "prior to linking."
When creating pages, link the images to the same folder.

I'm not all that positive that Word will accept and retain "relative links?"
I've seen some rumblings here of problems using relative links when moving
files. However, IMO that problem would likley be resolved with the
duplication of directory structure.

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Robin Steffans - 31 May 2004 20:26 GMT

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>files. However, IMO that problem would likley be resolved with the
>duplication of directory structure.

lostinspace:
Thanks for trying to help, but it didn't work. I made a
fake site on my hard drive to test your advice. I
started with an empty folder "Test Site" and nested a
subfolder "Images" in it. I put a background
tile "back.jpg" into Images along with two pictures.
This I wrote a front page, "index.html" and a second
page "page2.html." I used the controls in Word to add a
background to each page using back.jpg for both, used the
WordArt utility to put titles on both pages and inserted
a different picture into each page. Then I went to the
folder in My Documents to see what I had. The Test Site
folder contained the two HTML files, a "filelist.xml" for
each page [index_filelist.xml and page2_filelist.xml]
plus index-image001.jpg and page2_image001.jpg, identical
copies of the background tile. Also, each page got
an "image003.png" for the WordArt titles as expected AND
index_image003.gif for the picture on that page TWO
copies of the picture from page2, 003 and 004, because I
apparently accidentally resized that image while I was
trying to move it. Word apparently doesn't care what I
want or where I put the files, it's still going to create
the same expensive clutter! Any more ideas. Please!

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lostinspace - 01 Jun 2004 00:50 GMT

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Steffans" <>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.word.web.authoring
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: Supporting Files Overload

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> want or where I put the files, it's still going to create
> the same expensive clutter! Any more ideas. Please!

Hello Robin,
Is it your desire to make these web pages created
from within Word offer the option of returning that page to Word?
or,
is your intent soley to create web pages?

If the later?
Open Word
Options/ General / Web Options / Pictures / Un-tick (check) both "Rely on
VML" and "Allow png" then OK yourself out.

From here on, you CANNOT link to any images from within a Word-based web
page unless the images are contained in your newly created:
"Test Site" and nested a subfolder "Images"

Now if your desire to use some Word clipart or Word TITLES or Word ANYTHING
else, UNLESS that image is contained in your images sub-folder prior to
starting, you cannot.
Resizing of images must be done with an image in the IMAGES subfolder.

To insert an image into your "Test Site" page, you do NOT use insert image.
Rather you insert a hyperlink to the image.
That hyperlink would possibly be defined as follows:
<body background="backg.jpg">
in the body of the html page. This particular file would point to your root
folder.
To point it to your images sub-folder?
<body background="images/backg.jpg">

To specify another image within your page?
An absloute URL:
<img src="http://www.mysite.com/images/mypicture.jpg">
to define a relative URL:
<img src="images/mypicture.jpg"</a>
Please NOTE, images inserted in this manner may NOT be resized within Word.
They MUST be resized with an image editor prior to insertion.

The paragraph above is how the majority of the internet works in image
definition links.
Pick a website, pick a page, view the source.

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Robin Steffans - 01 Jun 2004 05:40 GMT

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>definition links.
>Pick a website, pick a page, view the source.

lostinspace:
Thank you, my friend, you have helped me make an
important decision. After reading over your directions
for disabling several of Word's features in order to get
yards away from elegance, I concluded that my original
suspicions were correct, Word will never be a real web-
authou=ring app. So I threw a hammerlock on my budget,
hocked my left nut and ordered FrontPage 2003. Thanks
again!

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lostinspace - 01 Jun 2004 06:25 GMT

"So I threw a hammerlock on my budget, hocked my left nut and ordered
FrontPage 2003"

Robin,
I'm not sure that's an achievement that I should take pride in

:-))

That you are exploring an alternative to creating pages with Word is however
a good thing.

I've read that FP 2003 is much better than the previous versions.
The biggest mistake that FP users make is copying and pasting from Word and
into FP. I did it myself when I began using FP. The result of pasting Word
copy into FP is continuation of the Word Bloat. As a result, I caution you
to copy from Word to NOTEPAD and then copy from Notepad to FP.

I would also suggest some tinkering with the OLD FrontPage Express prior to
buying the full package.
This page offer installation directions (however the download link is dead.)
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/6623/fpx.htm
This page offers a download:
http://www.np.edu.sg/~bms/Help/frontpage_exp_zipped.exe

You might also consider purchasing a Office 2000 package which comes with
FP2000.
try a google or something called dirtcheapsoftware.

I began using FPE in 1999 and later switched to FP. Till late 2003, I still
used FP and still do on a few pages, in a very limited capacity.
I've never used the "publish" option. Nor, have I ever used the
"components."
There is however one component with FP that creates good html which may be
cut and pasted into any html page and that is the "IMAGE MAP."

I'm currently hand coding with FirstPage 2000 which is freeware:
http://www.evrsoft.com/
Although it makes creating pages more time consuming, in the end my pages
are better.
I've also implemented CSS into my pages.

Webmaster issues are not always black and white or cut and dry. In the end,
each webmaster uses and/or creates a design intended for specific visitors
or traffic.
Some folks do use Word to create acceptable pages for their intended
visitors. It's just necessary to understand what Word does and the
corrections necessary for validated html.

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