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From: "bell-lady" <barnesa_17201 at yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.word.web.authoring
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 7:25 AM
Subject: Word97 and making a web page

Hello Ann,
                 The simple solution to you "bloat problem" is to stop
using Word to create web pages.
Additionally do not copy and paste content from Word and in to another MS
software, rather copy and paste from Word-to-NotePad-and then in to another
MS software. This eliminates all the layout settings being transfered.

Here's a suggestion. . . this OLD Front Page Express is free.
http://www.google.com/search?q="frontpage+express"+download

Download the software and install. I seem to recall some specific steps to
install FPE on a XP Machine that you may need to search google for.
This page an FPE tutor.
http://www.accessfp.net/fpexpress.htm

Once you have FPE installed and functioning,
1) open a new page
2) open both your Word document and NotePad
3) Copy and Paste your Word doc into NotePad and CLOSE Word
4) Copy and Paste from NotePad and into your new FPE page (html option)
5) Close NotePad
6) Save your web page

And you have straight-html.
Please note that FPE has the capability to add in some non-validated html,
however what FPE adds doesn't hold a candle to what Word adds.

There may be a html cleaner for Word97 and perhaps somebody will come along
and provide a link to that. Personally, I haven't much confidence in
anything HTML related to Word.

Hi Ann,

From your description of the 'styles' etc
and 'lost-in=spaces' response it sounded
like you were using a newer version of
Word rather than Word 97.

But visiting your website at
http://www.parkavenueumc.org/
shows that you are using Word97
and that HTML code is fairly 'plain'.

Word97 used an add-in and it wrote very plain
HTML code, it didn't have the style data etc
'bloat'  that 'lost-in-space' mentions found
in later Word versions.  On your webpage
the only 'style's listed seem to be the
standard <H4> HTML heading size style, for
example. :)

The horizontal lines (for example above the
title of 'COMMUNITY COMMITMENTS' is coded as
<P><HR></P> where <HR> is a 'Horizontal Rule'
(line).  It can be placed into Word in one of two
ways.

First, if it's a graphic line you can select it
then delete it using the white arrow selector on
the Word Drawing toolbar (View=>Toolbars) but from
your description of how it attachs itself to different
text when you delete it could be a paragraph border.
In that case turn on the paragraph symbol (pilcro)
on the formatting toolbar, select the paragraph mark
in the text above that section title (last one with text
and the blank one ahead of that title) and then use
Format=>Borders and shading and set borders to 'none'
for those 'paragraphs'.

Word 97 had a feature not available in later versions.
You could write HTML in the Word Wysiwyg document in Word97
and apply the Normal-web style formatting to that code and
when you save the file that code will 'melt' into
the code and leave the 'wysiwyg' layer of Word.

Unfortunately the Word 97 capability was fairly
limited, for example you can't use nested tables,
and other somewhat commonly used features.

Also note that the autoupdater at http://officeupdate.com
doesn't support Office/Word97.  You can manually download
and install the updates from http://office.microsoft.com/downloads
though, including the Web Authoring tools update.

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I am revising an existing website. I eventually got Word to open it up in
WYSIWYG mode (sort of). Anyway, its better than the plain source code I had
at first!

My problem seems to be that it doesn't apparently completely delete things.
I had drawn lines in between sections with Drawing toolbar; they did weird
things to the text below, leaving scraps of code showing. so I deleted them,
and the scraps of code using Explorer and View Source/Save.

But what is happening that I can no longer just edit it, and have it come
out the way I drew it? It worked well before my PC crashed and I had to
reload. I loaded Word97, ran available Office updates for it. I have Web
Content install option installed (that's how I got it to stop opening up
just code).

Is there a nice way to save it as "plain text html code" or something -
without all the tons of "style" etc. codes...its just simple text, with a
photo or two.

see www.parkavenueumc.org  (redirected to gbgm-umc.org)
TIA,
Ann in PA >>