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MS Office Forum / Word / Web Authoring / November 2004Saving Web Pages, without separate folder for image files, etc.
Using Word 2003. Word can work fairly well as a WYSIWYG web page editor, except for one major problem I have had. I wonder if there is a fix for it. I create the web page first on my hard drive. All files necessary for the web page--images, sounds, etc., I put in the same folder. The links on the web page to the images, etc., do not include any paths. That way, when I upload the page to the web, also uploading all associated files to the same folder as the web page, those links will be found. If I open the page in Word to edit it though, then save it, even though all the associated files are already there, in the same folder as the HTML page, Word insists on creating a sub-folder for all associated files, and saves them again to that sub-folder. All the links now point to that sub-folder, on my hard drive (C:\.....). Of course now when I upload to the web, even if I upload that separate subfolder with the associated files, the links will not work for anyone not looking at the page from my computer, because the links are all to that subfolder on my hard drive. This is a pain in the neck! I looked under "Options", and could not find a way to change that behavior. Isn't there a way to get Word not to do that, to respect the URLs that are already there in a file that it opens, not to change them all to the subfolder it wants to create, but keep them as they are, unless changed by the user? And if the web page is first created in Word, to have the option to keep all associated files where they are, not to create a separate subfolder, and not to have any path in the URL, just the file name? One would think there has to be a way, but I cannot find it. If anyone has any suggestions for this, I would greatly appreciate hearing about it. ----- Original Message ----- From: " MS" <> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.word.web.authoring Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:10 PM Subject: Saving Web Pages, without separate folder for image files, etc. > Using Word 2003. > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > If anyone has any suggestions for this, I would greatly appreciate hearing > about it. I do not have 2003, rather 2000. I would assume that the Tools/ Options haven't changed all that much. To change the default setting for files? Tools/ Options / General / WebOptions/ Files / unTick, Organize Supporting files in a folder. Ok yourself out. I made a dummy page with the default setting and Word created a web page the same as the example you provided. Changed the setting and the sub-folder was not created. (If you have previously created the sub-folder, you have need to delete the folder and contents before your able to verify the change.) Thanks for the info. Now, do the links to the associated files show a path on the hard drive, or just the file name with no path? (I need the latter, to use the page on the web. (Associated files uploaded to same folder as web page.) ) > I do not have 2003, rather 2000. > I would assume that the Tools/ Options haven't changed all that much. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > previously created the sub-folder, you have need to delete the folder and > contents before your able to verify the change.) ----- Original Message ----- From: " MS" <> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.word.web.authoring Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 8:44 AM Subject: Re: Saving Web Pages, without separate folder for image files, etc. > Thanks for the info. > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> previously created the sub-folder, you have need to delete the folder and >> contents before your able to verify the change.) MS, I do not use Word to create webpages. (It was never intended for that, rather a transport medium to return html data to a Word formatted page.) As Mr. Buckland may tell you? The fact that I made the previous effort on your behalf is a genuine consideration. I provided a solution for your dilemma and now you have the inability to check a simple path? (Use any text editor.) Why not just email me the images, text, ftp address and password and let me create your web pages? (tongue-in-cheek) ----- Original Message ----- From: "lostinspace" <> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.word.web.authoring Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 10:18 AM Subject: Re: Saving Web Pages, without separate folder for image files, etc. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " MS" <> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Why not just email me the images, text, ftp address and password and let > me create your web pages? (tongue-in-cheek) MS, Now that I have vented my frustration for your lack of willingness to accomplish simple tasks? Here's the answer to your laziness :-))) On the initial page I used "Insert image" without viewing any options. For a JPG (named Protector.jpg) in the same folder as the Word web page, Word created the following [ABSURD] lines: p class=MsoNormal style='mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none'><span style='font-family:Arial'><!--[if gte vml 1]><v:shapetype id="_x0000_t75" coordsize="21600,21600" o:spt="75" o:preferrelative="t" path="m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" filled="f" stroked="f"> <v:stroke joinstyle="miter"/> <v:formulas> <v:f eqn="if lineDrawn pixelLineWidth 0"/> <v:f eqn="sum @0 1 0"/> <v:f eqn="sum 0 0 @1"/> <v:f eqn="prod @2 1 2"/> <v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelWidth"/> <v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelHeight"/> <v:f eqn="sum @0 0 1"/> <v:f eqn="prod @6 1 2"/> <v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelWidth"/> <v:f eqn="sum @8 21600 0"/> <v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelHeight"/> <v:f eqn="sum @10 21600 0"/> </v:formulas> <v:path o:extrusionok="f" gradientshapeok="t" o:connecttype="rect"/> <o:lock v:ext="edit" aspectratio="t"/> </v:shapetype><v:shape id="_x0000_i1025" type="#_x0000_t75" style='width:428.25pt; height:326.25pt'> <v:imagedata src="index1_image001.jpg" o:title="Protector"/> </v:shape><![endif]--><![if !vml]><img width=571 height=435 src="index1_image002.jpg" v:shapes="_x0000_i1025"><![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></p> end of quote Not being pleased with the renaming of the Protector.jpg to index1_image002.jpg. I decided to view options. /Insert/ Picture/ insert/ arrow/ Link to File provided the following lines (which is what you desire): <p class=MsoNormal style='mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none'><img width=576 height=438 id="_x0000_i1027" src=Protector.jpg><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></p> end of quote. BTW the bloated line created by Word is still ABSURD. In html the simple line should read: <img src="Protector.jpg"> without all the extra crap I have VML turned off and did not use the HTML cleaner, which I do not even have installed. > BTW the bloated line created by Word is still ABSURD. Although I don't know much about HTML, I agree with that statement. When I open a web page in Word that I had previously created in another program, and save it in Word, then look at the HTML source, there is a LOT more code there than before Word saved it. I don't know why it adds so much baggage. ----- Original Message ----- From: " MS" <> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.word.web.authoring Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 2:24 AM Subject: Re: Saving Web Pages, without separate folder for image files, etc. > "lostinspace" <> wrote in message > ... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > code > there than before Word saved it. I don't know why it adds so much baggage. The reason the bloat is added is in the following statement: (It was never intended for that, rather a transport medium to return html data to a Word formatted page.) So that the initial Word page, which has been converted into an html web page may retain Word formatting and be returned into a Word page of its original state. However, MS doesn't advertise this in their brochures so apparently I'm exaggerating! ;-) > >> BTW the bloated line created by Word is still ABSURD. I did find a way to mitigate the bloat, although some of it is there. Under "Save As", there is an option called "Filtered HTML", which it tries to warn you not to use. Should really be called "Normal HTML", without all the extra Microsoft Office tags. They make it obscure and hard to find though. It doesn't completely get rid of the bloat though. One still sees stuff like before every font MSoNormal, etc. Why do they have to add that? It gets rid of most of it. And the option to not save associated files to a subfolder, that you told me about, is not permanent. In other words, when one makes that change, it is only for the current document, if saved in "unfiltered" bloated MSO HTML. With the next document, or even reopening the same one, if it had been saved to normal "filtered" HTML, that setting reverts back to the default of saving associated files in a subfolder. One has to keep checking the setting all the time, before saving. Anyone know if there is a way to make that setting permanent and global? Registry key? INI file? ----- Original Message ----- From: " MS" <> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.word.web.authoring Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 6:59 PM Subject: Re: Saving Web Pages, without separate folder for image files, etc. > "lostinspace" <> wrote in message > ... [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > all the time, before saving. Anyone know if there is a way to make that > setting permanent and global? Registry key? INI file? MSoNormal and such are added to retain the font and tab settings to return the html page back to Word. Today fonts rather than being controlled within individual lines are controlled with Cascading Style Sheets. When determing the setting for linking to a file rather than insering the file, I did not check to see if Word retained the setting of: /Insert/ Picture/ insert/ arrow/ Link to File As I explained previously I don't, nor is it my desire to learn how to use Word to create web pages. If there is a setting within the registry to reatin the setting, perhaps when Bob Buckland (the MVP who participates here) might provide that info when he becomes available. I only went the extra mile (so to speak) with your request because I happen to read a notice that most of the MVP's would not be participating because of the US Holiday. Which led me to believe that any reply from Bob would be longer than normal. > MS, > I do not use Word to create webpages. (It was never intended for > that, rather a transport medium to return html data to a Word formatted > page.) Actually, not the case. It is advertised as a possible way to create web pages. Of course not with all the same possibilities as a dedicated web page editor like Front Page, but that is considered one of Word's (and Publisher's) capabilities. Look at the name of this newsgroup, it involves web authoring with Word. There are special toolbars for it, etc. > As Mr. Buckland may tell you? The fact that I made the previous effort on > your behalf is a genuine consideration. Thank you. I believe I thanked you in the previous message as well. > I provided a solution for your dilemma and now you have the inability to > check a simple path? > (Use any text editor.) I don't understand this sarcasm. Why do say I have the "inability to check a path"? Strange response. I was merely asking if you (or any readers) know about this in general. When Word saves the associated files to a subfolder, the links to them on the web page refer to the specific path on the user's hard drive, which would be a problem when one uploads the files to the web. You showed me the option for not saving the associated files to a subfolder. I wondered though, if all in the same folder, whether Word might still add a path to the user's hard drive folder, which would still mess it up on uploading to the web. I thought perhaps you were familiar with using Word as a web page editor, and would already know that answer, or perhaps that someone reading would. If you didn't know you could have just said so, rather than saying that I am "unable to check a simple path". (better English than "have the inability".) Well, I'm sorry I offended you by asking if you knew something. > Why not just email me the images, text, ftp address and password and let me > create your web pages? (tongue-in-cheek) Again, I don't understand your sarcasm. I didn't ask you to create my web pages, but asked a follow-up question concerning using Word as a web page editor, which is the focus of this newsgroup. No reason for sarcasm. ----- Original Message ----- From: " MS" <> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.word.web.authoring Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 2:21 AM Subject: Re: Saving Web Pages, without separate folder for image files, etc. > "lostinspace" <> wrote in message > ... [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > pages, but asked a follow-up question concerning using Word as a web page > editor, which is the focus of this newsgroup. No reason for sarcasm. MS, The sarcasm came in my first reply. You have apparently read and replied to these submissions "out of sequence." (Check dates and times on replies.) This NG has no active participation by users. Rather it has very causal visitors who make inquiries and in most instances are provided an answer by a MSVP, "if and when" the MSVP has a chance to get around to this NG. The visitor rarely returns to make a contribution to the NG. You may view the active archives for this NG at google groups and the following location: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=microsoft.public.word.web.authoring&hl=en&btnG =Google+Search Path problems especially related to images and image locations in Word created web pages are an ever occurring problem by visitors here and their inquiries. ALL these problems are in most instances related to the users ability to create and use effective path statements. My presence in this NG initially was that the credibility of Front Page has been destroyed in the eyes of most web page creator in blaming FP for the bloated pages that Word has been creating all along. That presence is an attempt to make MS aware of the problem, in that they may make FP a more useful too reducing the absurdness that Word creates in html in the process. Actually the following is the case, regardless of what MS advertises or you choose to believe: (It was never intended for that, rather a transport medium to return html data to a Word formatted page.) > MS, > The sarcasm came in my first reply. > You have apparently read and replied to these submissions "out of sequence." > (Check dates and times on replies.) Actually not. The response of mine (to your first reply) was written first. It might have appeared in a different order in your newsgroup reader. Also, when I write the messages in OE, and click "Send", they are saved to the Outbox. Then later "Send and Receive", and they are posted. So, although I wrote the response you are responding to here first, they were probably posted at the same time, and perhaps reversed in posting order. > This NG has no active participation by users. > Rather it has very causal visitors who make inquiries and in most instances > are provided an answer by a MSVP, "if and when" the MSVP has a chance to get > around to this NG. > The visitor rarely returns to make a contribution to the NG. I'm not really familiar with this NG. It just seemed an appropriate one for my question. > You may view the active archives for this NG at google groups and the > following location: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=microsoft.public.word.web.authoring&hl=en&btnG =Google+Search Thank you. I'll take a look. > Path problems especially related to images and image locations in Word > created web pages are an ever occurring problem by visitors here and their > inquiries. > ALL these problems are in most instances related to the users ability to > create and use effective path statements. It sounds like you are do a lot of web page developing. I am not a web developer. I am one of those amateurs, just doing some personal pages. That's why I find it easier to have the web pages and all the associated files in one folder on my hard drive, and not have any path statements in the links, just the file name. Then I can upload the whole folder to a folder on the web space, and it will work. It does get a lot more complicated with path statements, and that's how editing a page in Word can mess it up, by adding (without asking!) paths to my hard drive!) (If I have the paths to the actual web locations of the files, then I cannot edit the html file when not connected to the web (I have a dial-up connection, so I am not always connected), and still see all the images, etc. So--easier to keep all the files in the same folder without paths in the links, both on the HD and on the web space.) (Yes, I doubt that's how a professional would do it, but it works for me, except Word has messed it up. That's why I asked the question. Thank you for telling me how to disable the default of creating the subfolder. > My presence in this NG initially was that the credibility of Front Page has > been destroyed in the eyes of most web page creator in blaming FP for the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > data to a Word formatted > page.) You might be right. I have never used Front Page, so cannot comment. In fact, being an amateur, I have no professional web page creation program. I actually have one, that came with a version of Norton Systemworks years ago, Symantec Visual Page, a very old version of it. I have sometimes used that. But then I discovered one can also use Word, and I am more familiar with that from other usage, you can work just the same way as in any Word document. But, as we discussed that does have problems, such as the paths, the bloated code, etc. Obviously, for my usage I am not going to spend hundreds of dollars on a professional web page creation program. Do you have any recommendation for a good easy WYSIWIG web page creation program for non-experts? (PS--my user name on newsgroups MS does not imply any affiliation with Microsoft. They are simply my initials. Perhaps I should change it on Microsoft newsgroups, to avoid confusion. But I have used my initials MS for years, on all types of newsgroups, so haven't bothered to change it.) ----- Original Message ----- From: " MS" <> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.word.web.authoring Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 2:16 PM Subject: Re: Saving Web Pages, without separate folder for image files, etc. > "lostinspace" <> wrote in message > ... [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > files in one folder on my hard drive, and not have any path statements in > the links, just the file name. You'll find that this is not a good practice. It's more effective to put your images in a separate sub-folder off your websites root folder. Then exclude (actually the proper term is "disallow" [even though in effect, it's merely a suggestion that honorable robots honor] that folder in your robots.txt, else your have spidering robots both crawling and indexing your websites images and using the bandwidth which you pay for in the process. The lesson in this is easily learned if you happen to name an image with a name which holds a very common interest. [Example: Brittany Spears] The result is you have many visitors coming to your web pages and viewing your images for content of which they have no real interest. An inadvertent error can drive your bandwidth past your providers restrictions very easily. >Then I can upload the whole folder to a > folder on the web space, and it will work. It does get a lot more [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > the question. Thank you for telling me how to disable the default of > creating the subfolder. Your example is precisely how a professional would use "relative paths" (which your described) versus "absolute paths" which are the full internet address. With larger websites and tens of thousands or hundred of thousand of active mega bites of storage and who knows how many pages with paths? The probability that you will eventually be required to change web hosts is unavoidable. The possibility that your current host could go out of business or just change a policy which does not agree with the goals you desire for you website. As a result when using relative paths, it's not necessary to edit the html path in your pages. With absolute paths you may be required to edit every page. >> My presence in this NG initially was that the credibility of Front Page > has [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > a > good easy WYSIWIG web page creation program for non-experts? Overall there is not a superb WYSIWIG web page creation software. Each has their own benefits and detriments. MS Front Page Adobe GoLive was named something else in it's beginning. Many webmasters use some thing called Dreamweaver (I believe non-WYSIWIG) I seen pages created with a few different software's. My own beginning was with the free version of Front Page, named Front Page Express. Then to Front page. Today although I occasionally use FP for a few tasks, the majority of my pages are created with a non-WYSIWIG software that is a fancy text editor designed for html. FP can be an effective tool "IF" you refrain from copy and pasting directly from Word and into FP. Also, "ONLY IF" you refrain from using the components. I've read some reports that the most recent Version of FP (non-Office packaged) is somewhat more effective than older versions, however I've also read that is has not changed. No matter what tool you use to create your pages, they all have glitches and will require some editing with a text editor. In the end, only you personally can make the judgment of what is best for you, your website and the visitors who enter you website. > (PS--my user name on newsgroups MS does not imply any affiliation with > Microsoft. They are simply my initials. Perhaps I should change it on > Microsoft newsgroups, to avoid confusion. But I have used my initials MS > for > years, on all types of newsgroups, so haven't bothered to change it.) Microsoft themselves do not participant in NG's, at least not as recognized representatives of that company. The MVP's are volunteers and assist many people above and beyond the call. http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ http://mvps.org/ http://mvps.org/links.html Using the name MS is as good as "lostinspace" ;-) and if you have established a presence in NG's that is agreeable to you than there's not any reason to change it. > I made a dummy page with the default setting and Word created a web page the > same as the example you provided. > Changed the setting and the sub-folder was not created. (If you have > previously created the sub-folder, you have need to delete the folder and > contents before your able to verify the change.) I came across another problem. I made the change you suggested, then looked at the HTML code after saving the file. Yes, the associated files were not moved to a subfolder. However, they were duplicated in the same folder with different file names (proceeded by the name of the web page), and the links in the web page were changed to the new file names. Well, I already have the files uploaded, with the old names. I just wanted to make a change in the web page, and upload that one HTML file. But in doing so, now the images, etc. won't show, because the names of them in the web page have been changed, and are not the same as their names as they have already been uploaded to the server. Too many problems! I think I will not use Word as a web page editor any more, you are right that it is screwed. That's unfortunate, because it is easy to use, people already have Word and know how to use it, etc. Of course, a professional will want a dedicated web page editing program. But if Word's web page creation abilities worked OK, it would be a nice alternative for us amateurs, at least those who are already using MS Word for word processing. Three main problems I have seen: 1) Changing the path of linked files, without asking. 2) changing the name of linked files, without asking 3) bloated code, adding a lot of unnecessary tags. I wonder if Microsoft is aware, although they probably consider these to be "features", that they cause problems for people, and make Word not work well for web page editing? Again, if anyone has any solutions to these problems, please tell us about them. (Yes, I now know the solution to #1. But one cannot even make that change in options permanent. It keeps reverting to the default of saving in a subfolder. And if one makes that change, then #2 ensues, the filenames are changed!) ----- Original Message ----- From: " MS" <> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.word.web.authoring Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Saving Web Pages, without separate folder for image files, etc. > "lostinspace" <> wrote in message > ... [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > are > changed!) MS, I believe that you are just "lost" in the routine of changing settings and then creating new pages and uploading those new and accurate pages on to the website after retaining the paths in the patterns you desire. Be patient (although I'm entirely in agreement that Word is not an effective web page software;) 1) Before opening Word create a folder/directory structure which parallels the folder/directory of your website. 2) Copy the Word doc you intend to use [and also any images] in the web page creation into what ever folder/directory of your newly-created-parallel website-local folder/directory Open Word: 3) Tools / Options / General / Web Options / Pictures / Untick both; Rely on VML and Allow PNG 4) Tools / Options / General / Web Options / Files / Untick both; Organize Files in Supporting Folder and Update links on Save (NOTE: Word retains these settings thus far.) 5) Delete previously created web page. 6) Open the Word doc you intend to use as your web page. If you have any pictures "inserted" remove those pictures. 7) /Insert/ Picture/ insert/ arrow/ Link to File (Word does NOT retain this Link to File setting and as a result it MUST be selected each time. 8) Save the Word Doc 9) Save the Word doc as web page (preferably under another name for safety.) 10) upload the new page and images to your website (deleting the websites older pages in the process. With this method in tact, the path which you have desired all along is defined as I previously provided in the following example: [see additonal reply below previous reply] ----- Original Message ----- From: "lostinspace" <> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.word.web.authoring Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 10:18 AM Subject: Re: Saving Web Pages, without separate folder for image files, etc. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " MS" <> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Why not just email me the images, text, ftp address and password and let > me create your web pages? (tongue-in-cheek) MS, Now that I have vented my frustration for your lack of willingness to accomplish simple tasks? Here's the answer to your laziness :-))) On the initial page I used "Insert image" without viewing any options. For a JPG (named Protector.jpg) in the same folder as the Word web page, Word created the following [ABSURD] lines: p class=MsoNormal style='mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none'><span style='font-family:Arial'><!--[if gte vml 1]><v:shapetype id="_x0000_t75" coordsize="21600,21600" o:spt="75" o:preferrelative="t" path="m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" filled="f" stroked="f"> <v:stroke joinstyle="miter"/> <v:formulas> <v:f eqn="if lineDrawn pixelLineWidth 0"/> <v:f eqn="sum @0 1 0"/> <v:f eqn="sum 0 0 @1"/> <v:f eqn="prod @2 1 2"/> <v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelWidth"/> <v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelHeight"/> <v:f eqn="sum @0 0 1"/> <v:f eqn="prod @6 1 2"/> <v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelWidth"/> <v:f eqn="sum @8 21600 0"/> <v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelHeight"/> <v:f eqn="sum @10 21600 0"/> </v:formulas> <v:path o:extrusionok="f" gradientshapeok="t" o:connecttype="rect"/> <o:lock v:ext="edit" aspectratio="t"/> </v:shapetype><v:shape id="_x0000_i1025" type="#_x0000_t75" style='width:428.25pt; height:326.25pt'> <v:imagedata src="index1_image001.jpg" o:title="Protector"/> </v:shape><![endif]--><![if !vml]><img width=571 height=435 src="index1_image002.jpg" v:shapes="_x0000_i1025"><![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></p> end of quote Not being pleased with the renaming of the Protector.jpg to index1_image002.jpg. I decided to view options. /Insert/ Picture/ insert/ arrow/ Link to File provided the following lines (which is what you desire): <p class=MsoNormal style='mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none'><img width=576 height=438 id="_x0000_i1027" src=Protector.jpg><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></p> end of quote. BTW the bloated line created by Word is still ABSURD. In html the simple line should read: <img src="Protector.jpg"> without all the extra crap I have VML turned off and did not use the HTML cleaner, which I do not even have installed. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- end of quote. Using the aforementioned 1-10 process with a parallel folder/directory intact, Word does NOT change any paths for saved images. Addittionally, one must always keep in mind that functioning web pages are a achieved through a process of checking and rechecking to be assured that everything functions as desired. Using a software (such as Word) which was NEVER created with the sole intent of creating web pages only complicates and multiplies the number of checks and rechecks necessary to achieve your goal of a functioning web page. As a result "MS" my suggestion is to take a break, drink a java and take a fresh look at the overall task and follow steps 1-10 to achieve what you desire. > MS, > I believe that you are just "lost" in the routine of changing [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > defined as I previously provided in the following example: [see additonal > reply below previous reply] Thank you for your detailed advice, "Lost". However, the purpose of using "Word" would be to have a simple way to edit web pages, with a program one is already familiar with. When there are so many complicated steps like you outline above, it's really not an efficient way to create and edit web pages. By the way, through some searching, I found today a pretty good freeware open source web page creator. You might want to take a look at it. It is called NVU www.nvu.com associated with the same group that creates the Mozilla and Firefox browsers. Far from perfect, only on version 0.5, still quite "beta", a work in progress, crashes some, but works pretty well and simply, and creates simple code. Here's a link to a webmaster page that has quite a few different methods and software's listed: http://allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?HTML_editors
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