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How to prevent overwriting of simple HTML in Word

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Betty J - 25 Jun 2005 01:07 GMT
I like using Word for developing web pages, but it seems that when I copy
into Word some simple HTML commands from pages created with text/other HTML
editors, Word changes the lines into more complicated info. This leads to
unpredictable results at times when I display the pages in IE or AOL.

Is there a way to prevent this? Thanks.

BJ
Put the past behind you.
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lostinspace - 25 Jun 2005 03:28 GMT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Betty J" <>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.word.web.authoring
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 8:07 PM
Subject: How to prevent overwriting of simple HTML in Word

>I like using Word for developing web pages, but it seems that when I copy
>into Word some simple HTML commands from pages created with text/other HTML
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>
> BJ

BJ,
      If you manually edit html from Word created web pages with a text
editor?
That should be the end of your use of Word on that completed HTML page.

If you go back an edit the Word file and create a new page than the text
editor inserted changes will no longer be active.

There is no way to prevent this from within Words settings.
You may reduce it (by changing the Word Web options [see below], however
never eliminate it.

To access Word Web options:
Tools / General / Web Options / Files / untick  the following:
                                                                 Organize
files in supporting Folder
                                                                  Update
links on save
                                                                  Check if
Word is default

Tools / General / Web Options / Pictures /untick all

Word was NEVER intended to be used as a medium to create web pages, rather a
TRANSPORT medium to return html formatted Word doc to their original state.
You'd best be advised to find a more effective tool for creating web pages.
The initial aggravation will save you endless hours in attempting to
understand and correct inefficiencies in Word created HTML.
PopS - 05 Jul 2005 15:04 GMT
NVU at nvu.com is an excellent tool for creating web
pages and is similar enough to Word to use out of the
box, but does have a learning curve.  It's also free
and open source.  It's just been released after a long
development cycle at 1.0.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Betty J" <>
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> save you endless hours in attempting to understand
> and correct inefficiencies in Word created HTML.
Alan - 01 Sep 2005 01:02 GMT
I downloaded NVU and tried it on a HTML file created by MS Word 2000.  It
changed lines like

<p class=MsoNormal><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></p>

to

<p class="MsoNormal"><!--[if
!supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></p>

Because there is no space following "<!--" these constructs show up in the
browser (IE 6).  If the spaces had been present, would the construct work as
intended?

> NVU at nvu.com is an excellent tool for creating web
> pages and is similar enough to Word to use out of the
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> > save you endless hours in attempting to understand
> > and correct inefficiencies in Word created HTML.
PopS - 01 Sep 2005 14:31 GMT
Hi Alan,

Actually, you've hit on a serious issue with NVU that many people
are complaining about on their forums.  If you'd like words from
the designer's mouths, I suggest their forums are good places to
go.
  NVU has a very bad habit of reformatting the code.  I don't
think I've seen anyone say it breaks the code, but it does look
pretty odd to them at first.  The true value of NVU, IMO, is
using it as a turn-key design tool.  I don't like writing in XML
and quickly reinstalled word97 when I saw what 2002 and its
bretheren were doing.  IMO 2000 and up aren't really intended for
writing web pages; it's more of an intranet tool.  The files are
huge and contain too much personal information unless you
remember to strip them each time, plus Word refuses to let you
use hex or ascii codes without interpreting them for you, and a
host of other things I didn't like.
  Prior to NVU I used Word97, Front Page Express and NoteTAB
plus ftp to do my site work.  I was about to go for Dreamweaver
when I discovered NVU and tried it out.  I like NVU because I can
do everything I need to do in one application if I want to, from
layout to upload, but I still use my ftp client for uploads.  It
has a few bugs but the bugs are listed and advertised on the site
and in the forums, and except for the reformatting of code, they
all seem to have workarounds.  BTW, checking the "Do Not Reformat
Code" box doesn't turn it off; it does nothing for the problem.
It's a known bug.  I particularly like the way it offers to
create anchor names, target names, filenames, etc etc if you want
it to; lots less memory work.
  The only other "feature" I don't like is that it doesn't let
you mouse-select a bookmark when you link to another file; you
have to type it into the box, but that will be fixed too, and it
does keep the bookmark name onscreen most of the time, so you can
see it to copy it.
  Word 2000 and up is great, but wasn't intended for doing web
pages.

HTH,

:I downloaded NVU and tried it on a HTML file created by MS Word 2000.  It
: changed lines like
[quoted text clipped - 68 lines]
: > > save you endless hours in attempting to understand
: > > and correct inefficiencies in Word created HTML.

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